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    Re: This makes me sick

    [QUOTE=roguenuke;1062942441]It really isn't that simple. As servicemembers, we really do lose certain rights/privileges when it comes to how it may reflect upon the military. It would be one thing if she did something like this out of uniform, but quite another to do it in uniform and post it publicly. There are actually rules that we must follow in the military regarding respect to certain symbols and traditions, particularly when it comes to while we are wearing the uniform. While some suggestions on what her punishment should be are way overboard for the offense, it is not wrong to expect her to be punished for her actions here. It simply should not be a harsh punishment at all. Heck it is even something that could be handled at a lower level than NJP.[/QUOTE

    Like I said we don't know what her record is like.....If good then I go along with the NJP.
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    Re: This makes me sick

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It really isn't that simple. As servicemembers, we really do lose certain rights/privileges when it comes to how it may reflect upon the military. It would be one thing if she did something like this out of uniform, but quite another to do it in uniform and post it publicly. There are actually rules that we must follow in the military regarding respect to certain symbols and traditions, particularly when it comes to while we are wearing the uniform. While some suggestions on what her punishment should be are way overboard for the offense, it is not wrong to expect her to be punished for her actions here. It simply should not be a harsh punishment at all. Heck it is even something that could be handled at a lower level than NJP.
    Ever stop to think that maybe that kind of restriction is unnecessary? That sort of groupthink comes from military traditions from a very long time ago, when a military was mainly made up of conscripted peasants who were sent off to fight someone else's conscripted peasants in order to win land or power for this aristocrat or another and were killed if they said they didn't want to. It took that kind of abolition of self in order to buy into the whole deal. I would think that our modern soldiers are a bit more worthy than conscripted middle ages peasants. Not that the whole "poor people dying to serve the interests of rich people" thing has changed at all, but at least there is some semblance of actual service to the nation in the mix.

    There just isn't any kind of need to dehumanize people in order for them to accomplish these tasks, especially for people who aren't the behind enemy lines strike force types. And especially not for those people who sign up to risk their lives to defend the very same liberties that are suddenly denied to them. It's too hypocritical to ask that of them, and probably unnecessary.
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    Re: This makes me sick

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    What's the big deal??
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    Re: This makes me sick

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    No significant numbers?

    If it's your kid or your spouse then ONE is pretty damned significant!!
    Just like "FOUR" dying in Benghazi---stop the presses. "ONE" is the most important number ever, but if it's 24 second graders in Connecticut getting blown to bits by a nut with an AR-15, then all that matters is that no one takes away our gun rights.

    Look, soldiers sign up knowing the risks. It's not like they don't reap a bunch of benefits when nothing goes wrong. So...sometimes, something goes wrong. Big deal.

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    Re: This makes me sick

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Ever stop to think that maybe that kind of restriction is unnecessary? That sort of groupthink comes from military traditions from a very long time ago, when a military was mainly made up of conscripted peasants who were sent off to fight someone else's conscripted peasants in order to win land or power for this aristocrat or another and were killed if they said they didn't want to. It took that kind of abolition of self in order to buy into the whole deal. I would think that our modern soldiers are a bit more worthy than conscripted middle ages peasants. Not that the whole "poor people dying to serve the interests of rich people" thing has changed at all, but at least there is some semblance of actual service to the nation in the mix.

    There just isn't any kind of need to dehumanize people in order for them to accomplish these tasks, especially for people who aren't the behind enemy lines strike force types. And especially not for those people who sign up to risk their lives to defend the very same liberties that are suddenly denied to them. It's too hypocritical to ask that of them, and probably unnecessary.
    It does serve a purpose though. There needs to be a higher level of discipline in the military than what is found in the majority of the civilian world. While some things are completely idiotic, there are still rules.

    And there is nothing "dehumanizing" about punishing a person (with a reasonable punishment) for breaking a rule because they did something stupid and what can be viewed as disrespectful. It really wouldn't be much different than the civilian world in that aspect. Heck, there are things people could do of a similar nature in a civilian job that actually would get them fired. I'm sure if a person who worked at Chick-Fil-A were to go out in public, wearing their Chick-Fil-A uniform and started kissing random strangers or burned the Bible or something of that nature, they would most likely be punished, and very possibly even fired. The only difference I see here is because it is a government job and the punishment shouldn't be losing her job for something like this. It could even be something like doing extra training or having to clean the POW/MIA table/emblem for a week or something.
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    Re: This makes me sick

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Just like "FOUR" dying in Benghazi---stop the presses. "ONE" is the most important number ever, but if it's 24 second graders in Connecticut getting blown to bits by a nut with an AR-15, then all that matters is that no one takes away our gun rights.
    That's just asinine.

    If one innocent kids gets blown away by a psycho that's a tragedy and NOBODY has said any different.

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    Re: This makes me sick

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Even i know not to disrespect the dead
    Not giving a crap is not disrespecting. It's just not caring.

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    Re: This makes me sick

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    The whole POW/MIA "issue" and religion-like cult of advocates left over from the Viet Nam war was based on silly Rambo-style wishful thinking and myths.
    Please explain further. Just want to make sure I understand your point.

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    Re: This makes me sick

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    When Hawaii was "attacked" it wasn't even a state. So, forgive me for not seeing how anything that happened there affects my freedom.

    Granted, it is a nice vacation destination today. But....it's not like Japan was bombing US cities and threatening our freedom. Ok?
    You cannot possibly be that stupid or that ignorant of history. I can only conclude that you are a troll.
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    Re: This makes me sick

    Dishonorable discharge is completely out of whack with reality. I wonder why...

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