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This makes me sick

Should Staff Sergeant Cherish Byres get a dsihonorable discharge


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You consider what President Truman did murder?

What do you call dropping a nuke on innocent women and children in a country which is already defeated?

Typical American Bull****:

Japan attacks our naval base on an island in the middle of the Pacific that is not even a state yet--worst thing ever

We nuke a city in Japan, killing a 1/4 million women, children and old men---heroic effort to end the war.
 
What do you call dropping a nuke on innocent women and children in a country which is already defeated?

Interesting characterization of events. And no, the Japanese weren't "already defeated".
 
Interesting characterization of events. And no, the Japanese weren't "already defeated".

Yes they were.

Surrender of Japan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

By 1945, the Japanese had suffered an unbroken string of defeats for nearly two years in the South West Pacific, the Marianas campaign, and the Philippines campaign. In July 1944, following the loss of Saipan, General Hideki Tōjō was replaced as prime minister by General Kuniaki Koiso, who declared that the Philippines would be the site of the decisive battle.[1] After the Japanese loss of the Philippines, Koiso in turn was replaced by Admiral Kantarō Suzuki. The Allies captured the nearby islands of Iwo Jima and Okinawa in the first half of 1945. Okinawa was to be a staging area for Operation Downfall, the American invasion of the Japanese Home Islands.[2] Following Germany's defeat, the Soviet Union quietly began redeploying its battle-hardened European forces to the Far East, in addition to about forty divisions that had been stationed there since 1941, as a counterbalance to the million-strong Kwantung Army.[3]

The Allied submarine campaign and the mining of Japanese coastal waters had largely destroyed the Japanese merchant fleet. With few natural resources, Japan was dependent on raw materials, particularly oil, imported from Manchuria and other parts of the East Asian mainland, and from the conquered territory in the Dutch East Indies.[4] The destruction of the Japanese merchant fleet, combined with the strategic bombing of Japanese industry, had wrecked Japan's war economy. Production of coal, iron, steel, rubber, and other vital supplies was only a fraction of that before the war.

They were already negotiating a surrender...obviously, because they were on the verge of starving and had nothing left with which to mount a sustained defense. Nuking them was simply a convenient way to ice that cake while also serving as the perfect test site for the new weapon.
 
What do you call dropping a nuke on innocent women and children in a country which is already defeated?

Typical American Bull****:

Japan attacks our naval base on an island in the middle of the Pacific that is not even a state yet--worst thing ever

We nuke a city in Japan, killing a 1/4 million women, children and old men---heroic effort to end the war.

That is so much bull ****.........In and invasion of the Japanese mainland which is what we would of had to do it was estimated we could lose a million men.......Maybe your father......think about it. The Japanese were really dug in and were willing to fight to the death.........Did you ever hear of a kamikaze? After the first bomb they were warned....They ignored the warning.
 
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That is so much bull ****.........In and invasion of the Japanese mainland which is what we would of had to do it was estimated we could lose a million men.......Maybe your father......think about it. The Japanese were really dug in and were willing to fight to the death.........Did you ever hear of a kamikaze? After the first bomb they were warned....They ignored the warning.
Nonsense. There was no need to invade. Japan was done, the were beaten and knew it. in the end, they were looking to negotiate a favorable peace settlement. Truman wanted unconditional surrender. Fact is the bomb was dropped somthat negotiations would not be necessary.

It was mass murder done for convenience.
 
There is a certain amount of decorum that is expected of members of the US Military. The activity shown in the photograph goes well outside the boundaries of that decorum.
Yes it does... ....and so what !!
Decorum/ good behavior/respect for others is important , as is privacy and minding one's business ..
Here, the one who must be punished is the privacy violator !
 
Nonsense. There was no need to invade. Japan was done, the were beaten and knew it. in the end, they were looking to negotiate a favorable peace settlement. Truman wanted unconditional surrender. Fact is the bomb was dropped somthat negotiations would not be necessary.

It was mass murder done for convenience.

Easy to say now but you have to put yourself in the shoes of Americans back then. It started with the Pearl Harbor sneak attack and continued through the staggering number of casualties we suffered in that war. America was in no mood to f*** around with these guys. Surrender or die.
 
I will add that dropping of the atomic bombs on Japan was also about sending a signal to the Soviet Union. There was a real fear the Red Army had intentions of continuing their push west through Europe. The lines for splitting up the spoils of war had already been drawn up by big three but nobody trusted Stalin or communism as an ideology. It's possible we could have simply starved Japan into surrender. The atomic bombs weren't necessary, but the served a dual purpose: expediting the surrender of Japan and giving Moscow pause.

I'm not saying sending that message was right or just, but in reality we already preparing to check the Russian. Hell Patton felt we should have continued the war AGAINST Stalin. There was no disillusion in the American military command about what was coming once Germany and Japan were defeated because Stalin was every bit the ruthless despot that Hitler was if not more so. A truly evil man.
 
Easy to say now but you have to put yourself in the shoes of Americans back then. It started with the Pearl Harbor sneak attack and continued through the staggering number of casualties we suffered in that war. America was in no mood to f*** around with these guys. Surrender or die.

I agree with this. Still, it's the murder of innocent women and children at a higher rate, for one morning, than Hitler and Stalin combined.
 
Yes they were.

Surrender of Japan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
They were already negotiating a surrender...obviously, because they were on the verge of starving and had nothing left with which to mount a sustained defense. Nuking them was simply a convenient way to ice that cake while also serving as the perfect test site for the new weapon.


How utterly dishonest of you. The very next section of the link you posted proves you a liar:

Defense preparations
Faced with the prospect of an invasion of the Home Islands, starting with Kyūshū, and the prospect of a Soviet invasion of Manchuria—Japan's last source of natural resources—the War Journal of the Imperial Headquarters concluded:

We can no longer direct the war with any hope of success. The only course left is for Japan's one hundred million people to sacrifice their lives by charging the enemy to make them lose the will to fight.[9]

As a final attempt to stop the Allied advances, the Japanese Imperial High Command planned an all-out defense of Kyūshū codenamed Operation Ketsugō.[10] This was to be a radical departure from the defense in depth plans used in the invasions of Peleliu, Iwo Jima, and Okinawa. Instead, everything was staked on the beachhead; more than 3,000 kamikazes would be sent to attack the amphibious transports before troops and cargo were disembarked on the beach.[8]

If this did not drive the Allies away, they planned to send another 3,500 kamikazes along with 5,000 Shin'yō suicide boats and the remaining destroyers and submarines—"the last of the Navy's operating fleet"—to the beach. If the Allies had fought through this and successfully landed on Kyūshū, only 3,000 planes would have been left to defend the remaining islands, although Kyūshū would be "defended to the last" regardless.[8] The strategy of making a last stand at Kyūshū was based on the assumption of continued Soviet neutrality.[11]

A set of caves were excavated near Nagano on Honshu, the largest of the Japanese islands. In the event of invasion, these caves, the Matsushiro Underground Imperial Headquarters, were to be used by the army to direct the war and to house the Emperor and his family.



Really, are you that set on being right that you would ignore and attempt to hide facts? Were you hoping I just wouldn't notice the very next paragraph?
 
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Nonsense. There was no need to invade. Japan was done, the were beaten and knew it. in the end, they were looking to negotiate a favorable peace settlement. Truman wanted unconditional surrender. Fact is the bomb was dropped somthat negotiations would not be necessary.

It was mass murder done for convenience.

Lies and you know it. You've really shown your character here.
 
Lies and you know it. You've really shown your character here.

Here's the proof. You apparently are unaware of the true history on this.
For Tokyo the writing was on the wall. On June 18, Truman's chief of staff Admiral William D Leahy voiced the opinion that a surrender could be arranged...

Washington too decided to squelch every sign that Japan was trying to quit. When the International News Service wired on July 7, 1945 that three influential newspaper publishers captured in Okinawa had confirmed that Japan would surrender immediately provided that the United States put in only a token occupation force, the State Department forbade publication of the news.

On July 8, the Department learned that the Japanese military attaché at Stockholm had told Prince Bernadotte over dinner that the Emperor Hirohito would ask Sweden's King Gustav to contact the Allies when the right time came, and that he had stated only one Japanese condition of surrendering: namely, that the Emperor himself remain in office. (This term was subsequently adopted by the Allies).
Real History, the Bomb, and the War against Japan
 
How utterly dishonest of you. The very next section of the link you posted proves you a liar:





Really, are you that set on being right that you would ignore and attempt to hide facts? Were you hoping I just wouldn't notice the very next paragraph?

I said an invasion was not necessary. Japan was prepared to surrender.

Of course Japanese people would defend their homes against an invasion. Wouldn't you? However, Japan was through being a military threat. There was no need to invade or nuke. Sheesh.
 
dishonorable discharge?

good grief

no she should not be dishonorably discharged that nuts

maybe some type of reprimand, maybe yes

for me it would depend on the circumstances

did she take this pic and post it everywhere herself and say disrespectful things?
was it a bunch of people hanging out drinking and someone said kiss the poster and they took the pic and posted it?
etc etc

again im not condoning this stuff just saying it matters what was going on and IMO dishonorable discharge isnt in the cards unless im missing something huge from the story
 
I was talking to an Air Force guy yesterday that said exactly that. He said even in Boot Camp they only have to "work" till 1630 then go home. Does anyone know if that is true?
I don't know about that, but one of my former Soldiers did try to go into the AF after ETS, and they rejected him for the reason stated. He was a good Soldier, a good mechanic, had an education and civilian certification for his field. I went with him to see a Navy recruiter, and it was like they couldn't get him in back in boots fast enough.
 
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