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Rape and Clothing

Rape and clothing correlation

  • I suspect women are wearing revealing clothes in most rape cases

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I suspect that a man/woman will rape regardless of the victims clothing

    Votes: 24 26.4%
  • I think some women are inviting dangerous attention when wearing revealing attire

    Votes: 5 5.5%
  • I don't think clothes have anything to do with rape

    Votes: 52 57.1%
  • Other

    Votes: 10 11.0%

  • Total voters
    91
A) Those weren't "links."

B) You're not putting up any actual numbers.

I absolutely agree with you. What you described in each of those excerpts was terrible. However, you have presented nothing factual comparing actual rape rates.

As I just pointed out, our own rate might very well be freakishly high. There's really nothing to suggest that more traditional societies are any worse.

For EXAMPLE Gathomas, jeez, I suppose there were NO rapes in Botswana in 2003! Holy SMOKES!!! :roll:

Rape at the national level, number of police-recorded offenses
Total count Rate per 100,000 population
Country/territory 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010
Kenya 1440 1365 1291 876 735 847 4.1 3.8 3.5 2.3 1.9 2.1
Mauritius 53 40 38 64 77 69 57 51 4.3 3.2 3.0 5.1 6.0 5.4 4.4 3.9
Mozambique 102 64 46 41 47 44 0.5 0.3 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2
Uganda 0 549 732 750 599 1536 619 709 2.0 2.0 2.6 2.6 2.0 4.9 1.9 2.1
Zimbabwe 3858 4997 4790 4967 4762 3186 30.6 39.7 38.1 39.6 38.2 25.6
Cameroon 451 555 592 580 447 2.7 3.2 3.4 3.2 2.4
Algeria 723 630 376 495 836 812 2.3 1.9 1.1 1.5 2.5 2.4
Morocco 618 453 475 1063 1215 1130 1507 2.1 1.5 1.6 3.5 3.9 3.6 4.8
Sudan 1189 2.9
Botswana 1754 1865 88.5 92.9
Lesotho 1797 1878 1777 85.3 88.3 82.7



Crap, you can't really make out the chart, but according to it, several countries had NO rapes at all for several years if you're going to go by THEIR statistics.
 
Going by what this proposes, a lot of date rape cases wouldn't even count as rape.

Are you aware of that?



And? Murder has always happened too.

That doesn't mean that there aren't certain places and behaviors a person should avoid if they don't want to be murdered themselves.



There is no such thing as "complete freedom," and there never will be. furthermore, a certain amount of fear is also not only desirable, but healthy.

There are bad people out there. You should be afraid of them, and what they can do.

Again, I'm not applying any standard to women here that I would not also apply to myself. I wouldn't loiter around a bad neighborhood at night wearing expensive clothing, and I wouldn't party at a gay club wearing assless chaps and letting gay men buy me drinks left and right.

They simply wouldn't be good ideas. I'm not any less "free" because I recognize that fact.

I'm simply alive and unviolated. :lol:

Blah, blah, blah, I'm not going to talk to you about this anymore until you ADMIT that you are wrong and that clothing is a negligible factor in rapes. Women do NOT have to dress conservatively to avoid being raped. That is BOGUS information, because most rapes have absolutely NOTHING to do with clothing.
 
DERP! We in the United States collect and REPORT our statistics reliably. Other countries (especially those in the ME) do NOT do this. Really, do you realize how SILLY you are being about this? My GOD, pull your head out of your own butt!!! :roll:

Not only that but to deny that rape would be much MORE underreported in Middle Eastern countries is just . . . STUPID!

I'm not denying any of these things, Chris. What I'm saying is that I haven't seen anything to suggest that the ME's rape rate is greater than or equal to that of the West.

You're not making an argument from evidence here, but the absence of it.

All I said was that, objectively speaking, crimes like date rape are going to be a lot less likely in a culture like the Middle East, because concepts like "dating" don't even really exist in the first place.
 
Going by what this proposes, a lot of date rape cases wouldn't even count as rape.

Are you aware of that?



And? Murder has always happened too.

That doesn't mean that there aren't certain places and behaviors a person should avoid if they don't want to be murdered themselves.



There is no such thing as "complete freedom," and there never will be. furthermore, a certain amount of fear is also not only desirable, but healthy.

There are bad people out there. You should be afraid of them, and what they can do.

Again, I'm not applying any standard to women here that I would not also apply to myself. I wouldn't loiter around a bad neighborhood at night wearing expensive clothing, and I wouldn't party at a gay club wearing assless chaps and letting gay men buy me drinks left and right.

They simply wouldn't be good ideas. I'm not any less "free" because I recognize that fact.

I'm simply alive and unviolated. :lol:

It says that a lot of the "reported" rapes included things such as women regretting a sexual encounter. It is trying to describe to you HOW and WHY rape statistics are NOT reliable at all.
 
I'm not denying any of these things, Chris. What I'm saying is that I haven't seen anything to suggest that the ME's rape rate is greater than or equal to that of the West.

You're not making an argument from evidence here, but the absence of it.

All I said was that, objectively speaking, crimes like date rape are going to be a lot less likely in a culture like the Middle East, because concepts like "dating" don't even really exist in the first place.

You're full of it. All of the links I showed revealed a PREVALENCE of rape in those countries in the Middle East. Rape in the ME is like a part of their CULTURE. Good Lord! This is just getting more dumb.
 
my statement to Chris L does not need qualified lol

It was stupid, so, yea, it kind of does.

and no women should not have to alter thier behavior because of people with mental problems.

That is a nonsense slogan. It doesn't mean anything.

other than that youll have to tell me what behavior you are talking about?

when me and chris L were talking we were talking about the behavior of dress, is this the issue you are talking about? a simple yes or no will do

I already told you. Drinking to excess and partying with strange men in an excessively flirtatious manner in isolated environments.

If a woman wants to be safe, some rather fundamental things about those behaviors need to be altered.

also you haven't told me what the problem is yet, why do you keep dodging it, please dont answer and prove your posts to fail again

See above.
 
Blah, blah, blah, I'm not going to talk to you about this anymore until you ADMIT that you are wrong and that clothing is a negligible factor in rapes. Women do NOT have to dress conservatively to avoid being raped. That is BOGUS information, because most rapes have absolutely NOTHING to do with clothing.

Again, in most cases, it is not a major factor. In some, it can play a contributing role.

This has been my stance all along, and it is not changing now.

It says that a lot of the "reported" rapes included things such as women regretting a sexual encounter. It is trying to describe to you HOW and WHY rape statistics are NOT reliable at all.

Okay.

You're full of it. All of the links I showed revealed a PREVALENCE of rape in those countries in the Middle East. Rape in the ME is like a part of their CULTURE. Good Lord! This is just getting more dumb.

No, they really did not. They stated that it was a problem, and gave a couple of examples of horrible crimes or abuses which had taken place in recent years.

Rape is always a problem, so such statements don't really mean anything in and of themselves. None of the information you presented was making any kind of comparison to the United States or the Western World in general either.

As such, it doesn't support the claim you're trying to make here.
 
Again, in most cases, it is not a major factor. In some, it can play a contributing role.

This has been my stance all along, and it is not changing now.



Okay.



No, they really did not. They stated that it was a problem, and gave a couple of examples of horrible crimes or abuses which had taken place in recent years.

Rape is always a problem, so such statements don't really mean anything in and of themselves. None of the information you presented was making any kind of comparison to the United States or the Western World in general either.

As such, it doesn't support the claim you're trying to make here.

Are you kidding. That's dumb. There were more than a "couple." In fact, in a couple of them there were a LARGE percentage of men who admitted to rape, and THAT is the important statistic because the women get thrown in jail and shunned from society, sometimes even killed for reporting rape over there. You are being just insane about this. It's really getting tiresome and pathetic. It's obvious to everyone on this thread that you don't know what you're talking about and that you are only speaking from your OWN biases.
 
1.)It was stupid, so, yea, it kind of does.
2.)That is a nonsense slogan. It doesn't mean anything.
3.)I already told you. Drinking to excess and partying with strange men in an excessively flirtatious manner in isolated environments.
4.)If a woman wants to be safe, some rather fundamental things about those behaviors need to be altered.
5.)See above.

1.) lol reality, the poll, majority opinion and civility says otherwise
2.) see #1
3.) wow another posted lie, no you didnt i asked about 10 times and you ran from it. Nor can you follow instructions. SO your answer was NO you are not talking about dress like we were. got it.

so now you want to know my opinion of women drinking to excess and partying with strange men in an excessively flirtatious manner in isolated environments?
and you are calling that the problem?

well i would say that PEOPLE shouldn't drink so much that they endanger themselves and yes if one is doing such surrounding yourself with strangers is worsens the situation. this is basic common sense

4.) again this applies to PEOPLE, if PEOPLE want to be safe they shouldn't drink so much they endanger themselves. This is already known and if people dont know they should be taught better.

but most importantly dress wont effect the above lol

5.) its about time
 
Again, in most cases, it is not a major factor. In some, it can play a contributing role.

This has been my stance all along, and it is not changing now.



Okay.



No, they really did not. They stated that it was a problem, and gave a couple of examples of horrible crimes or abuses which had taken place in recent years.

Rape is always a problem, so such statements don't really mean anything in and of themselves. None of the information you presented was making any kind of comparison to the United States or the Western World in general either.

As such, it doesn't support the claim you're trying to make here.

Read, READ this link PLEASE!

The High Rape-Scale in Saudi Arabia | The WomanStats Project
 
Are you kidding. That's dumb. There were more than a "couple." In fact, in a couple of them there were a LARGE percentage of men who admitted to rape, and THAT is the important statistic because the women get thrown in jail and shunned from society, sometimes even killed for reporting rape over there. You are being just insane about this. It's really getting tiresome and pathetic. It's obvious to everyone on this thread that you don't know what you're talking about and that you are only speaking from your OWN biases.

The fact of the matter is that you haven't put up any hard data. At best, it is anecdotal.

Where men "admitting to rape" is concerned, that depends upon the definition used. The source you posted just a page ago confirmed that.


I was actually just looking over that myself. :lol:

It raises a few questions.

First off, what in the Hell is a "rape scale," and how is it calculated?

Secondly, if rape is really so underreported in that part of the world, where on Earth are they getting their data from?
 
The fact of the matter is that you haven't put up any hard data. At best, it is anecdotal.

Where men "admitting to rape" is concerned, that depends upon the definition used. The source you posted just a page ago confirmed that.



I was actually just looking over that myself. :lol:

It raises a few questions.

First off, what in the Hell is a "rape scale," and how is it calculated?

Secondly, if rape is really so underreported in that part of the world, where on Earth are they getting their data from?

Are you actually saying that you believe rape is more common here in the United States than in the Middle East based upon the statistics that are provided? Man, that is so dumb beyond belief. :roll: Pathetic. I keep providing link after link after link, with Human Rights officials and other reputable sources, and you keep on with your denial.

RAPE is part of the culture in the Middle East. Didn't you know this?
 
Your posts are making me feel physically ill, seriously.
 
Here's another one Gathomas. These women wear hijabs and burqas and other such "conservative" clothing.

Syrian women's lives devastated by rape | Middle East | DW.DE | 06.12.2013

Again, this is anecdotal. In terms of sheer numbers, it also isn't even that bad (6000 since the beginning of the conflict).

According to some estimates, anywhere from 300,000 to 1.3 million women are raped in the United States each and every year.

Which country has the highest reported incidents of rape? [DATA]
 
Again, this is anecdotal. In terms of sheer numbers, it also isn't even that bad (6000 since the beginning of the conflict).

According to some estimates, anywhere from 300,000 to 1.3 million women are raped in the United States each and every year.

Which country has the highest reported incidents of rape? [DATA]

OMG! That's because the rapes are NOT reported. The statistics are unreliable, and the countries are not reliable at reporting accurate statistics like the United States is. OUR statistics are TRUE and reliable numbers, gathered and collected by experts. Do you actually think the same happens in Afghanistan, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, etc.?

That is NUTS! You are so uneducated about this issue, and your posts really show it. RIdiculous. I'm out of here.
 
Are you actually saying that you believe rape is more common here in the United States than in the Middle East based upon the statistics that are provided? Man, that is so dumb beyond belief. :roll: Pathetic. I keep providing link after link after link, with Human Rights officials and other reputable sources, and you keep on with your denial.

RAPE is part of the culture in the Middle East. Didn't you know this?

A) You haven't provided any actual statistics. That's the whole problem. You've only provided anecdotes so far, and one unqualified measure in "rape-scale."

B) Going by the statistics, the US still has a freakishly high rape rate.

Which country has the highest reported incidents of rape? [DATA]

These numbers should be taken with a grain of salt, however. Statistics on the subject vary widely. The United States had more than 80,000 cases of rape reported to the police from 2004 to 2010, according to UN data. But the US Justice Department estimates 300,000 American women are raped every year, and the Centers for Disease Control puts the number much higher at 1.3 million.

When looking at reported rape cases per capita, Australia, Botswana and Lesotho rank highest. But tallying sheer totals, Europe and the Americas consistently top the charts.

That's exactly why I was saying that I was curious to see how this so called "rape scale" was being calculated.

It might very well be correct, for all I know. However, I'm not going to simply accept that as a given.

Your posts are making me feel physically ill, seriously.

Facts are facts. :shrug:
 
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OMG! That's because the rapes are NOT reported. The statistics are unreliable, and the countries are not reliable at reporting accurate statistics like the United States is. OUR statistics are TRUE and reliable numbers, gathered and collected by experts. Do you actually think the same happens in Afghanistan, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, etc.?

That is NUTS! You are so uneducated about this issue, and your posts really show it. RIdiculous. I'm out of here.

It doesn't matter what happens where. The simple fact of the matter is that you have provided absolutely no hard evidence to back your claims.

You're basically making an appeal to ignorance.

i.e.

"We can't know for sure, so it must be higher!"

I'm sorry, but that's not the way these kinds of claims work.
 
the poll, majority opinion and civility says otherwise

You assume that I care about any of those things? :lol:

well i would say that PEOPLE shouldn't drink so much that they endanger themselves and yes if one is doing such surrounding yourself with strangers is worsens the situation. this is basic common sense

Then you agree, contrary to your ridiculous earlier claim, that it is justifiable to suggest that women alter their behaviors under certain circumstances to better ensure their own safety?

Good.

We are in agreement.
 
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1.)You assume that I care about any of those things? :lol:
2.)Then you agree, contrary to your ridiculous earlier claim, that it is justifiable to suggest that women alter their behaviors under certain circumstances to better ensure their own safety?

Good.

We are in agreement.

1.) wow wrong again LOL do you ever not post anything thats not completely made up? do you ever actually read whats on the screen, understand it and not have a made up discussion in your head?
I didnt even COME CLOSE in the slightest bit to assume or suggest that you care. I was just pointing out facts.

Your BS and strawman fails again

2.) no i dont agree with the insanity you posted earlier no was my statement ridiculous it was factual nor does it have anything to do with what you are saying now which had nothing to do with what me and CHrisl was talking about lol. Man you NEVER stop posting stuff thats completely made up.

May statment is women dont have to change the behavior of how the dress, PERIOD.

and then now when you are talking a different subject the reality and common sense is EVERYBODY should be aware of thier own saftey and not drink so much they lose the ablity to do so.

so again no i dont agree with you that clothes play a role lol
 
I'm not denying any of these things, Chris. What I'm saying is that I haven't seen anything to suggest that the ME's rape rate is greater than or equal to that of the West.

You're not making an argument from evidence here, but the absence of it.

All I said was that, objectively speaking, crimes like date rape are going to be a lot less likely in a culture like the Middle East, because concepts like "dating" don't even really exist in the first place.

In the Middle East probably the stats show far less rape because rape isn't generally a crime and if a woman claims rape she'll be imprisoned or executed for adultery. You REALLY aren't trying to compare the Middle East to the USA for the number of women forced to have sex against her wishes are you?
 
You assume that I care about any of those things? :lol:



Then you agree, contrary to your ridiculous earlier claim, that it is justifiable to suggest that women alter their behaviors under certain circumstances to better ensure their own safety?

Good.

We are in agreement.


Jumping into this, you've trivialized your statement to have no value whatsoever.

If a man never leaves his house or opens the door unless 100% absolutely necessary for life's essentials, he will less likely be a victim of crime. THEREFORE, how a man dresses and acts makes him at least partly responsible if he is a crime victim.

That is an absolutely valueless statement, isn't it?
 
do you ever actually read whats on the screen

Where you are concerned? Honestly, not really.

I skim, at best. :lol:

no i dont agree with the insanity you posted earlier no was my statement ridiculous it was factual nor does it have anything to do with what you are saying now which had nothing to do with what me and CHrisl was talking about lol. Man you NEVER stop posting stuff thats completely made up.

Then you don't agree that women, in the interests of being more safe, should generally seek to moderate their behavior in potentially dangerous environments?

I guess this brings us back to square one then.

What do you propose, J?

I'm waiting.

In the Middle East probably the stats show far less rape because rape isn't generally a crime and if a woman claims rape she'll be imprisoned or executed for adultery. You REALLY aren't trying to compare the Middle East to the USA for the number of women forced to have sex against her wishes are you?

I'm not denying that certain kinds of rape are a lot more common in the Middle East (spousal rape, for instance). However, I have seen no evidence whatsoever to suggest that rape rates are higher, or even equal, across the board.

How could they be? Where would most predatory men even get the opportunity to attack a woman in that kind of society?

Jumping into this, you've trivialized your statement to have no value whatsoever.

If a man never leaves his house or opens the door unless 100% absolutely necessary for life's essentials, he will less likely be a victim of crime. THEREFORE, how a man dresses and acts makes him at least partly responsible if he is a crime victim.

That is an absolutely valueless statement, isn't it?

I was never suggesting anything that extreme in the first place; just that a somewhat greater degree of caution and restraint was advisable under certain circumstances.

Wandering around in a secluded high crime high poverty area as a middle class person, for instance, generally tends to be risky, but that risk can be managed. Doing so in expensive clothing is a worse idea on the whole, but it probably won't make all that big a difference in a person's chances of being attacked in and of itself if other precautions are taken.

However, that being said, anyone should be able to tell that doing so in expensive clothing while wasted off your ass and allowing some local you barely know to guide you is simply idiotic.

All I'm saying here is that much the same logic applies to the environments that tend to foster date rapes. All "politically correct" nonsense aside, there are certain behaviors a person should avoid if they don't want to make themselves a target.
 
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1.)Where you are concerned? Honestly, not really.
I skim, at best. :lol:
2.)Then you don't agree that women, in the interests of being more safe, should generally seek to moderate their behavior in potentially dangerous environments?
3.)I guess this brings us back to square one then.
What do you propose, J?
I'm waiting.

1.) well this seems obvious and explains why your posts fail so often and make so much up
2.) good grief, everybody should do this in all environments but this doesnt have to do with dress
3.) and you will continue to fail every time you come back to this since it was already answered lol you imaginary discussion will always cause your posts to fail
facts win again, this is awesome
 
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