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Rape and Clothing

Rape and clothing correlation

  • I suspect women are wearing revealing clothes in most rape cases

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • I suspect that a man/woman will rape regardless of the victims clothing

    Votes: 24 26.4%

  • I think some women are inviting dangerous attention when wearing revealing attire

    Votes: 5 5.5%

  • I don't think clothes have anything to do with rape

    Votes: 52 57.1%

  • Other

    Votes: 10 11.0%
  • Total voters
    91
Bangladesh[edit]

Bangladesh has received criticism for its employment of the "two-finger test" in rape investigations. This test consists in a physical examination of women who report rape during which a doctor inserts two fingers in the woman's vagina to determine whether the woman is "habituated to sex". This examination has its origin in the country's British colonial-era laws dating back to 1872. This deters many women from reporting rape. More than 100 experts, including doctors, lawyers, police, and women's rights activists had signed a joint statement in 2013 asking for the test, which they called "demeaning", to be abolished, as it "does not provide any evidence that is relevant to proving the offence." This test is also performed in several other countries in the region, including India. [23][24][25]
The United Nations Multi-country Study on Men and Violence asked men in rural and urban Bangladesh if they had forced a woman to have sex at any point in their lives. 14.1% of men in rural Bangladesh and 9.5% of men in urban Bangladesh said yes (10% averaged). 2.7% of men in rural Bangladesh and 0.5% (6/1252) in urban Bangladesh had raped in the past year. In rural Bangladesh 47.4% of rapists perpetrated more than once, 3.7% had four or more victims, and 40% first raped as a teenager. 82% of rural Bangladeshi and 79% of urban Bangladeshi men cited entitlement as their reason for rape. 61.2% of urban Bangladeshi men who had raped did not feel guilty or worried afterwards, and 95.1% experienced no legal consequences. 3.7% of men in rural Bangladesh had raped another man. 89.2% of urban Bangladeshi men answered 'agree' or 'strongly agree' to the statement 'if a woman doesn't physically fight back, it's not rape.' [26]
 
Egypt[edit]

Main article: Rape in Egypt
Rape is illegal in Egypt; but marital rape is not a criminal offense. Unlike many other countries in the Middle East, Egypt has, in 1999, abolished the law which stipulated that a man could escape a rape conviction if he married his victim after the fact.[54]
Women are generally fearful when it comes to reporting rape. Engy Ghozlan of Egyptian Centre for Women's Rights and others suggest that the number of rape cases is over 200,000 every year. Ghozlan further adds that rapes are not decreasing because young men lack adequate income and employment, so their marriages are delayed.[55]
During the current Egyptian protests, rape has been carried out publicly, on 3 July 2013, it was reported that about 91 women were raped and sexually abused in Tahrir Square in 4 days.[56] By some estimates, the figure was about 169.[57]
 
India[edit]

Main article: Rape in India
Rape in India is one of India's most common crimes against women.[84] Marital rape that occurs when spouses are living together can only be dealt under the Protection of Women from Domestic Violence Act 2005 which only provides civil remedies to victims (it is a form of non-criminal domestic violence). Marital rape is not a criminal offense, except when spouses are separated. Rape cases in India have doubled between 1990 and 2008[85] Penile and non-penile penetration in bodily orifices of a woman by a man, without the consent of the woman, constitutes the offense of rape under the Criminal Law (Amendment) Act, 2013.[86]
Sexual violence within marriage is common, with 20% of men admitting to forcing their wives or partners to have sex, in a survey by the Centre of Research on Women, US, and Instituto Promundon in Brazil.[87][88] According to the National Crime Records Bureau, 24,206 rape cases were registered in India in 2011.[89] A new case is reported every 20 minutes,[90][91] Although the latest estimate suggest a new case every 22 minutes.[92]
Indonesia[edit]

The United Nations Multi-country Study on Men and Violence studied three different sites of Indonesia (Jakarta, rural Java, and Jayapura). In the rural area, the lifetime prevalence of perpetration of rape towards a female/females was 19.5% and gang rape 7%. When rapists were asked why they perpetrated their last non-partner rape, 76.5% of the men in the three areas averaged cited sexual entitlement, 55.2% entertainment-seeking, and 29.7% anger/punishment.[26]
 
ChrisL said:
Oh come on! Really Gathomas, don't you be intellectually dishonest with me. Rapes are very MUCH underreported in Middle Eastern countries. I'm sure you can figure out why. NOT uncommon though by any means.
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I don't doubt that it's underreported, and I don't doubt that certain forms of rape (spousal rape, for instance) and violence against women (domestic abuse, honor killings, etca) are much more common in the Middle East than they are here.

However, as far as "dark stranger in an alley way" or "date rape" is concerned, it would make sense for the numbers to be a lot lower.

Women, by and large, simply aren't allowed to be alone with strange men in that part of the world. :shrug:

Where would a potential attacker even get the opportunity to pounce on his victim?

I'm certainly not saying that we should adopt such a system. However, a bit of common sense would go a long way here.

Any sexually charged environment is going to be a bit risky for a woman. It is especially so when alcohol and other perception altering substances become involved.

Women need to be aware of this and plan accordingly. That's all I'm saying.
 
Gathomas88 said:
You're not actually saying anything, J! :lol:

Look. I'll even ask the question again. What can you present to qualify the statement below? What do you propose actually be done?



I'm waiting...
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lol now you are just desperately trying to save the face of your posts that have been destroyed so bad

nobody honest, educated and objective will fall for it

good move backing off the lie that i dodged your question though lol

lets look at my post again, ill bold and highlight the parts that factually prove you wrong

AGENT J said:
wow how many posts do you make that contain lies, i factually dodged nothing.

need proof?

here lets look at my post (you know the one you edited because it shows your post is wrong lol)
AGENT J said:
also tell me what the factual "problem" is
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cant answer your question without knowing what you think the factual problem is, your mistake

once again facts win and prove your post wrong

now would you like to post something honest and tell me what the factual problem is you are talking about so i can answer if possible?
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all you have to do is tell me what you think the factual problem is until you do there can be no conversation on your question or answer given to it.
wow destroying your posts is so easy
lets see if you dodge providing this info again
 
Gathomas88 said:
I don't doubt that it's underreported, and I don't doubt that certain forms of rape (spousal rape, for instance) and violence against women (domestic abuse, honor killings, etca) are much more common in the Middle East than they are here.

However, as far as "dark stranger in an alley way" or "date rape" is concerned, it would make sense for the numbers to be a lot lower.

Women, by and large, simply aren't allowed to be alone with strange men in that part of the world. :shrug:

Where would a potential attacker even get the opportunity to pounce on his victim?

I'm certainly not saying that we should adopt such a system. However, a bit of common sense would go a long way here.

Any sexually charged environment is going to be a bit risky for a woman. It is especially so when alcohol and other perception altering substances become involved.

Women need to be aware of this and plan accordingly. That's all I'm saying.
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READ my links. If you don't think rape is as common if not MORE so in ME countries, then your head is buried in the sand deeper than I thought. :roll: It's a damn power play. This is how men exert POWER and CONTROL over women.
 
ChrisL said:
READ my links. If you don't think rape is as common if not MORE so in ME countries, then your head is buried in the sand deeper than I thought. :roll: It's a damn power play. This is how men exert POWER and CONTROL over women.
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Again, though, when you spend all your time in the family home, and can't even leave without an escort, where and when exactly do you think something like a date rape or random stranger rape could really take place?

I freely admit that spousal rape is probably a lot more common. That's just not what I'm talking about here.
 
ChrisL said:
READ my links. If you don't think rape is as common if not MORE so in ME countries, then your head is buried in the sand deeper than I thought. :roll: It's a damn power play. This is how men exert POWER and CONTROL over women.
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yep if its reported some women face death and disownment and additional abuses

heck even in this country it under reported

why?

because of fear and embarrassment of people like the hand full in this thread that will place some of the blame on them and make them feel like "they asked for it"

its pathetic

I think i read something like 3 out of 100 rapist actual spend at lest a day in jail or more, its disgusting
 
Gathomas88 said:
Again, though, when you send all your time in the family home, and can't even leave without an escort, where and when exactly do you think something like a date rape or random stranger rape could really take place?

I freely admit that spousal rape is probably a lot more common. That's just not what I'm talking about here.
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Brothers, cousins, family friends, acquaintances, the POLICE.

Pakistan[edit]

Main article: Rape in Pakistan
Rape in Pakistan has been notable, and continues to be a tool for suppressing women in the country.[115] One of the notable cases, in which Uzma Ayub, a 16 year old girl, was abducted by a soldier and policeman, she was repeatedly raped by several person which included an army official, policemen. Her brother was murdered. In one case, a teenage girl was burnt alive, as she resisted the rape.[116]
On 12 July 2013, Council of Islamic Ideology of Pakistan dismissed DNA tests as evidence for rapes, and declared that without witnesses no rapes would be recognized.[117]
 
Gathomas88 said:
We can play hot potato all night here, J. :lol:

Clarify it.
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bam another dodge, the desperation in your posts is hilarious
its funny you think this is a game its just exposing your failed posts.
cant answer your question without you explaining what you mean.

I will ask you AGAIN, what is the factual problem . . .

who wants to take bets this is dodged AGAIN lol
 
Gathomas88 said:
Again, though, when you spend all your time in the family home, and can't even leave without an escort, where and when exactly do you think something like a date rape or random stranger rape could really take place?

I freely admit that spousal rape is probably a lot more common. That's just not what I'm talking about here.
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And there's MORE. You seem to think that if women don't "tempt" men, then rape won't happen. Well, like I told you before, you REALLY need to educate yourself about rape.

South Sudan[edit]

Rape is illegal in South Sudan; marital rape is not criminalized; the law on rape excludes it from its definition by stating that "Sexual intercourse by a married couple is not rape, within the meaning of this section". (Art 247).[140] Child marriage is common in the country, and this often leads to child sexual abuse;[141][142] while the law on rape sets an age of consent of 18, this does not apply inside marriage. The Criminal Code criminalizes, among other behaviors, adultery and homosexuality.[143] Amnesty International has stated that the security forces in South Sudan have shot and raped civilians while carrying out a civilian disarmament campaign in Jonglei State.[144]
Sri Lanka[edit]

In Sri Lanka there have been recent allegations that rape and torture by the Sri Lankan security forces have continued four years after the civil war ended.[145] An average rape case in Sri Lanka takes 6 to 12 years to be resolved.[146]
The UN Multi-country Study on Men and Violence found that 14.5% of the sample of Sri Lankan men had perpetrated rape at some point in their lives. 4.9% had raped in the past year. 2.7% had raped another man. 1.6% had took part in a gang rape. 96.5% of the men who had raped experienced no legal consequences. 65.8% didn't feel worried or guilty afterwards. 64.9% of rapists had raped more than once, and 11.1% had raped four or more girls or women.[26]
 
Gathomas88 said:
We can play hot potato all night here, J. :lol:

Clarify it.
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They shouldn't have to alter their behaviors. The women didn't do anything wrong or anything to invite rape, regardless of how you interpret their manner of dress.

All this type of behavior does is contribute to the oppression of women.
 
ChrisL said:
Brothers, cousins, family friends, acquaintances, the POLICE.

Pakistan[edit]

Main article: Rape in Pakistan
Rape in Pakistan has been notable, and continues to be a tool for suppressing women in the country.[115] One of the notable cases, in which Uzma Ayub, a 16 year old girl, was abducted by a soldier and policeman, she was repeatedly raped by several person which included an army official, policemen. Her brother was murdered. In one case, a teenage girl was burnt alive, as she resisted the rape.[116]
On 12 July 2013, Council of Islamic Ideology of Pakistan dismissed DNA tests as evidence for rapes, and declared that without witnesses no rapes would be recognized.[117]
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Which is very terrible, but without some hard data comparing actual rates here, we can't really make a judgment.

Again, according to some sources, as many as 25% of women in the United States are raped before they graduate college. I'm not sure if I believe that figure, but if true, it would be a pretty massive chunk of the overall female population.

I have a pretty hard time believing that a society which tends to keep its women out of public could have a rate anywhere near that high.
 
AGENT J said:
bam another dodge, the desperation in your posts is hilarious
its funny you think this is a game its just exposing your failed posts.
cant answer your question without you explaining what you mean.

I will ask you AGAIN, what is the factual problem . . .

who wants to take bets this is dodged AGAIN lol
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It's a simple question, J. Why can't you answer it?

AGENT J said:
and no women should not have to alter thier behavior because of people with mental problems.
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What do you propose?
 
Gathomas88 said:
Which is very terrible, but without some hard data comparing actual rates here, we can't really make a judgment.

Again, according to some sources, as many as 25% of women in the United States are raped before they graduate college. I'm not sure if I believe that figure, but if true, it would be a pretty massive chunk of the overall female population.

I have a pretty hard time believing that a society which tends to keep its women out of public could have a rate anywhere near that high.
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Well, apparently you have your eyes closed tight and have chosen to ignore my links. How disappointing that you want to oppress women, because that's what it is.
 
Gathomas88 said:
It's a simple question, J. Why can't you answer it?



What do you propose?
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NAILED IT AGAIN! lmao
its not a simply question at all when i have no idea what you are talkign about lol

you asked what I propose to solve the problem

im asking you what the factual problem is. For some reason you keep running from this and factually dodging it

all you have to do is tell me what problem you are talking about, this is very easy.


I bet you dodge again PLEASE prove me right again
 
ChrisL said:
They shouldn't have to alter their behaviors. The women didn't do anything wrong or anything to invite rape, regardless of how you interpret their manner of dress.
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But a lot of women do indulge in behaviors which put themselves at risk.

The nonsensical idea that "women shouldn't have to do anything because men should behave" isn't helping anyone.

All this type of behavior does is contribute to the oppression of women.
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That's sloganeering. Nothing more. It doesn't mean anything.

How does it "oppress" anyone to suggest that they watch their backs around people with a proven track record of predatory behavior?
 
AGENT J said:
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It was your statement, J. Qualify it.

How do you propose minimizing the risk of rape if women are to change nothing about their behavior which might serve to protect themselves?

AGENT J said:
and no women should not have to alter thier behavior because of people with mental problems.
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Gathomas88 said:
Which is very terrible, but without some hard data comparing actual rates here, we can't really make a judgment.

Again, according to some sources, as many as 25% of women in the United States are raped before they graduate college. I'm not sure if I believe that figure, but if true, it would be a pretty massive chunk of the overall female population.

I have a pretty hard time believing that a society which tends to keep its women out of public could have a rate anywhere near that high.
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Educate yourself about rape please. It is NOT about the clothes.

A 1997 report by the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics, which defines rape as forced penetration by the offender,[161] found that 91% of rape victims are female and 9% are male, and that nearly 99% of rapists are male.[162] Data on the prevalence of rape vary greatly depending on what definition of rape is used. According to the National Violence Against Women Survey, 1 in 6 U.S. women and 1 in 33 U.S. men has experienced an attempted or completed rape in their lifetime.[163] More than a quarter of college-age women report having experienced a rape or rape attempt since age 14.[164] However, some have criticized these statistics for using definitions of rape that they consider to be overly broad, specifically for counting sex under the influence of alcohol as rape.[165][166] According to the psychologist Steven Pinker,
Junk statistics from advocacy groups are slung around and become common knowledge, such as the incredible factoid that one in four university students has been raped. (The claim was based on a commodious definition of rape that the alleged victims themselves never accepted; it included, for example, any incident in which a woman consented to sex after having had too much to drink and regretted it afterward.)[167]
The National Crime Victimization Survey, which uses a narrower definition of rape, found that only 0.5% of women and 0.06% of men, age 12 or older, were raped in 1995. By 2010, these numbers had decreased to 0.2% of women and 0.01% of men.[168]

Some types of rape are excluded from official reports altogether (the FBI's definition, for example, used to exclude all rapes except forcible rapes of females), because a significant number of rapes go unreported even when they are included as reportable rapes, and also because a significant number of rapes reported to the police do not advance to prosecution.[169] As well as the large number of rapes that go unreported, only 25% of reported rapes result in arrest. Many rape kits are not tested.[170] Only 16% of rapes and sexual assaults are reported to the police (Rape in America: A Report to the Nation. 1992 and United Nations Populations Fund, 2000a).[171][172] Factoring in unreported rapes, about 5% of rapists will ever spend a day in jail.[173]

Contrary to widespread belief, rape outdoors is rare. Over two thirds of all rapes occur in someone's home. 31% occur in the perpetrators' homes, 27% in the victims' homes and 10% in homes shared by the victim and perpetrator. 7% occur at parties, 7% in vehicles, 4% outdoors and 2% in bars.[174] From 2000 to 2005, 59% of rapes were not reported to law enforcement.[175][176] One factor relating to this is the misconception that most rapes are committed by strangers.[175][177] In reality, studies indicate the following varying numbers:

Source: Current or former intimate partner Another relative Friend or acquaintance Stranger
US Bureau of Justice statistics 26% 7% 38% 26%
Australian government statistics[178] 56% 10% 27% 8%
UK Home Office (for comparison)[179] 45.4% 13.9% 29.6% 11%

In a 2012 news story, The New York Times reported, " ... according to a survey by the Alaska Federation of Natives, the rate of sexual violence in rural villages like Emmonak is as much as 12 times the national rate. And interviews with Native American women here and across the nation’s tribal reservations suggest an even grimmer reality: They say few, if any, female relatives or close friends have escaped sexual violence."[180]
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Gathomas88 said:
But a lot of women do indulge in behaviors which put themselves at risk.

The nonsensical idea that "women shouldn't have to do anything because men should behave" isn't helping anyone.



That's sloganeering. Nothing more. It doesn't mean anything.

How does it "oppress" anyone to suggest that they watch their backs around people with a proven track record of predatory behavior?
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Obviously you're first statement is NOT true. Rape has always happened, even back in ancient times when there was no such thing as yoga pants and other such clothing.

It oppresses women because it takes away their freedoms. People like you would like to make women FEAR to have complete freedom because of fear that something THEY do could invoke a rape upon them.
 
ChrisL said:
Well, apparently you have your eyes closed tight and have chosen to ignore my links.
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A) Those weren't "links."

B) You're not putting up any actual numbers.

I absolutely agree with you. What you described in each of those excerpts was terrible. However, you have presented nothing factual comparing actual rape rates.

As I just pointed out, our own rate might very well be freakishly high. There's really nothing to suggest that more traditional societies are any worse.
 
Gathomas88 said:
1.)It was your statement, J. Qualify it.
2.)How do you propose minimizing the risk of rape if women are to change nothing about their behavior which might serve to protect themselves?
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and you prove me right agaian

1.) my statement to Chris L does not need qualified lol
2.) ALL people should be aware of thier surroundings and actions

other than that youll have to tell me what behavior you are talking about?

when me and chris L were talking we were talking about the behavior of dress, is this the issue you are talking about? a simple yes or no will do

also you haven't told me what the problem is yet, why do you keep dodging it, please dont answer and prove your posts to fail again
 
Gathomas88 said:
A) Those weren't "links."

B) You're not putting up any actual numbers.

I absolutely agree with you. What you described in each of those excerpts was terrible. However, you have presented nothing factual comparing actual rape rates.

As I just pointed out, our own rate might very well be freakishly high. There's really nothing to suggest that more traditional societies are any worse.
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DERP! We in the United States collect and REPORT our statistics reliably. Other countries (especially those in the ME) do NOT do this. Really, do you realize how SILLY you are being about this? My GOD, pull your head out of your own butt!!! :roll:

Not only that but to deny that rape would be much MORE underreported in Middle Eastern countries is just . . . STUPID!
 
ChrisL said:
Educate yourself about rape please. It is NOT about the clothes.
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Going by what this proposes, a lot of date rape cases wouldn't even count as rape.

Are you aware of that?

ChrisL said:
Obviously you're first statement is NOT true. Rape has always happened, even back in ancient times when there was no such thing as yoga pants and other such clothing.
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And? Murder has always happened too.

That doesn't mean that there aren't certain places and behaviors a person should avoid if they don't want to be murdered themselves.

It oppresses women because it takes away their freedoms. People like you would like to make women FEAR to have complete freedom because of fear that something THEY do could invoke a rape upon them.
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There is no such thing as "complete freedom," and there never will be. furthermore, a certain amount of fear is also not only desirable, but healthy.

There are bad people out there. You should be afraid of them, and what they can do.

Again, I'm not applying any standard to women here that I would not also apply to myself. I wouldn't loiter around a bad neighborhood at night wearing expensive clothing, and I wouldn't party at a gay club wearing assless chaps and letting gay men buy me drinks left and right.

They simply wouldn't be good ideas. I'm not any less "free" because I recognize that fact.

I'm simply alive and unviolated. :lol:
 
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