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Rape and Clothing

Rape and clothing correlation

  • I suspect women are wearing revealing clothes in most rape cases

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • I suspect that a man/woman will rape regardless of the victims clothing

    Votes: 24 26.4%

  • I think some women are inviting dangerous attention when wearing revealing attire

    Votes: 5 5.5%

  • I don't think clothes have anything to do with rape

    Votes: 52 57.1%

  • Other

    Votes: 10 11.0%
  • Total voters
    91
Gathomas88 said:
And? Most people are idgits. :mrgreen:
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Really? I think it's rather nice that people wouldn't jump to conclusions about a woman being a whore or a tramp or partially responsible for her rape because of how she is dressed.

You think that makes a person an idiot?
 
ChrisL said:
Really? I think it's rather nice that people wouldn't jump to conclusions about a woman being a whore or a tramp or partially responsible for her rape because of how she is dressed.

You think that makes a person an idiot?
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You're using a lot of qualifying words that I never did here, and alluding to concepts that were not mentioned in the poll in the first place.

In any case, however; yes. Claiming that a person's clothing never plays a roll in how they are perceived by those around them, or in contributing to sexual profiling which can sometimes be dangerous, would strike me as being rather fundamentally out of touch with reality to say the least.

Human nature simply isn't especially hard to puzzle out in this regard.
 
Gathomas88 said:
You're using a lot of qualifying words that I never did here, and alluding to concepts that were not mentioned in the poll in the first place.

In any case, however; yes. Claiming that a person's clothing never plays a roll in how they are perceived by those around them, or in contributing to sexual profiling which can sometimes be dangerous, would strike me as being rather fundamentally out of touch with reality to say the least.

Human nature simply isn't especially hard to puzzle out in this regard.
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It's NICE that a lot of people are not like you and do NOT judge a person based upon his/her clothing choice. If more people would feel this way, we would have much less problems, and women could be free to dress how they wanted instead of having to put up with douchebags who like to judge everyone based on stupid criteria.
 
ChrisL said:
It's NICE that a lot of people are not like you and do NOT judge a person based upon his/her clothing choice. If more people would feel this way, we would have much less problems, and women could be free to dress how they wanted instead of having to put up with douchebags who like to judge everyone based on stupid criteria.
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A) The poll never asked whether anyone "judged" other people based upon their clothing.

B) If they're being honest about it, MOST human beings do judge other people based around their clothing choices. They do so with good reason, as a person's clothing is often deliberately selected to send certain messages to the outside world in the first place.

This man, for instance, did not fall into the style of dress you see below by accident.

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He is using his attire as a means of making a deliberate socio-political statement.
 
Gathomas88 said:
A) The poll never asked whether anyone "judged" other people based upon their clothing.

B) If they're being honest about it, MOST human beings do judge other people based around their clothing choices. They do so with good reason, as a person's clothing is often deliberately selected to send certain messages to the outside world in the first place.

This man, for instance, did not fall into the style of dress you see below by accident.

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He is using his attire as a means of making a deliberate socio-political statement.
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What statement is that Gathomas? Maybe he just likes tied-dye clothing.
 
ChrisL said:
What statement is that Gathomas?
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"Look at me! I'm a throwback counter-culture douchebag who refuses to conform," perhaps?

Maybe he just likes tied-dye clothing.
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Unless he's a paid actor or a deliberate troll, I kind of doubt it. Frankly, why would I waste a single second of my time even stopping to consider such things where some random stranger on the street was concerned anyway?

Why suffer fools where it can be avoided? If a person chooses to (almost literally) wear a giant sign around their necks outing themselves as a moron to everyone within a four block radius, I'm going to count that as a blessing, give them a wide berth in passing, and move on. :lol:
 
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roguenuke said:
Most aren't plastic anymore. They may be reinforced with extra material, but I don't think my sons have had any with plastic.
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I've seen those too, but I've seen some that still have plastic feet (at least on the soles - maybe it's not plastic but it looks like it). They're really cheapo though. They look like they'd get holes in them really easily. My son had a lot of hand-me-down clothes that I got from my aunt which was fantastic. I don't think I even bought one pair of feety pajamas because she gave me like 10 of them, the ones with the thick plastic feet. Some of them even had hoods. They were really good quality.
 
Gathomas88 said:
"Look at me! I'm a throwback counter-culture douchebag who refuses to conform," perhaps?
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I think he looks quite harmless. If everyone was the same, it would be a really boring world. I like diversity and variety in life.

Unless he's a paid actor or a deliberate troll, I kind of doubt it. Frankly, why would I waste a single second of my time even stopping to consider such things where some random stranger on the street was concerned anyway?
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Why do you have such a bad attitude towards other people who are different from you? I don't understand this disdain you exhibit for others. It's really kind of sad because you seem to be quite intelligent, and I would think you could look past one's outward appearances.

Why suffer fools if you don't have to? If a person chooses to (almost literally) wear a giant sign around their necks pointing themselves out as a moron to everyone within a four block radius, I'm going to count that as a blessing, give them a wide berth in passing, and move on. :lol:
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You can live your life like that, but you'll miss out on a lot of wonderful interesting people and experiences.
 
ChrisL said:
I think he looks quite harmless. If everyone was the same, it would be a really boring world. I like diversity and variety in life.

Why do you have such a bad attitude towards other people who are different from you? I don't understand this disdain you exhibit for others. It's really kind of sad because you seem to be quite intelligent, and I would think you could look past one's outward appearances.

You can live your life like that, but you'll miss out on a lot of wonderful interesting people and experiences.
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I'm an introvert. :shrug:

I really don't "socialize" with people for the Hell of it. Outside of the group of friends I actually know and like to spend time with, my interactions with other people generally serve a concrete, predetermined purpose.

i.e.

"Do you know the time?"

"What aisle is ___ on?"

"Can I help you find something? (I'm only talking to you because my job requires it)"

If I can avoid wasting my time dealing with someone that I can already tell I have a pretty strong probability of disagreeing with or disliking ahead of time, I'm going to do it. There's simply no logical reason why I should give them the time of day, as far as I'm concerned.
 
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Gathomas88 said:
I'm an introvert. :shrug:

I really don't "socialize" with people for the Hell of it. Outside of the group of friends I actually know and like to interact with, my interactions with other people generally serve a concrete, predetermined purpose.

i.e. "Do you know the time?"

"What aisle is ___ on?"

"Can I help you find something? (I'm only talking to you because my job requires it)"

If I can avoid wasting my time dealing with someone that I can already tell I have a pretty strong probability of disagreeing with or disliking ahead of time, I'm going to do it. There's simply no logical reason why I should give them the time of day, as far as I'm concerned.
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Well, in that case, you should be avoiding ME! :2razz: We disagree about quite a few things. Lol!
 
ChrisL said:
Well, in that case, you should be avoiding ME! :2razz: We disagree about quite a few things. Lol!
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Yea, well, you're cute. :2razz:

Besides, my "concrete purpose" for being on a debate forum is to disagree with people and bounce different ideas around in the first place. :mrgreen:
 
Gathomas88 said:
Yea, well, you're cute. :2razz:

Besides, my "concrete purpose" for being on a debate forum is to disagree with people and bounce different ideas around in the first place. :mrgreen:
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And maybe open up your mind a little more? :mrgreen: Just a "little" bit. Lol!
 
Gathomas88 said:
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Let's take a look at what I would think is provocative. Some of the things you have posted, I would never even consider wearing.

Now, I LOVE this outfit, but I would probably feel a bit uncomfortable and overexposed wearing this out in public. I would be afraid to bend over for fear of things "coming out" of my outfit. But I still think it looks fantastic and not at all "trashy" but rather quite sexy. But like I said, I would not wear it out in public.

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I MIGHT wear something like this though. I think she looks adorable and everything is covered. Of course, I would have to make sure that the bum had enough coverage too since I can't see the back side of this dress.

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herenow1 said:
Since posters are getting upset that the yoga thread keeps getting derailed I will ask this here. Do you think most (true cases- not made up, let's not turn this into he said she said discussion) people who get raped are wearing revealing clothing?
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No.. I don't think that. I am pretty sure it contributes to some, as do other ways in which a person can draw unwanted attention to themselves.
 
Consensual sex is about pleasure, rape is violence and violation, power over another. To say that anyone, male, female, child or elderly and those with disabilities would invite rape by dress, speech, inability to say NO is complete nonsense.
No woman dressing provocatively or a mentally challenged person smiling should ever be seen as an invitation to commit a violent act. Those who don't understand that should really evaluate their sense of right and wrong
 
ChrisL said:
Let's take a look at what I would think is provocative. Some of the things you have posted, I would never even consider wearing.

Now, I LOVE this outfit, but I would probably feel a bit uncomfortable and overexposed wearing this out in public. I would be afraid to bend over for fear of things "coming out" of my outfit. But I still think it looks fantastic and not at all "trashy" but rather quite sexy. But like I said, I would not wear it out in public.

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I MIGHT wear something like this though. I think she looks adorable and everything is covered. Of course, I would have to make sure that the bum had enough coverage too since I can't see the back side of this dress.

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Exactly. That's the whole point. The first outfit (while, quite attractive, on the whole) is little better than lingerie. As a matter of fact, if it came with shorts, rather than a skirt, it probably would count as lingerie.

Guys are going to look at that, and they are going to get certain ideas about a woman's intentions.

Why?

For exactly the reasons you just laid out. No modest woman in her right mind would ever wear it! :lol:

The second outfit, while still somewhat suggestive, is a bit more concealing. It also aims more for a "soft" kind of femininity than the raw sex appeal the first outfit displays.

It'll certainly attract male attention, but it's generally going to attract a different kind of male attention than the first outfit, from a different kind of guy.
 
Gathomas88 said:
Exactly. That's the whole point. The first outfit (while, quite attractive, on the whole) is little better than lingerie. As a matter of fact, if it came with shorts, rather than a skirt, it probably would count as lingerie.

Guys are going to look at that, and they are going to get certain ideas about a woman's intentions.

Why?

For exactly the reasons you just laid out. No modest woman in her right mind would ever wear it! :lol:

The second outfit, while still somewhat suggestive, is a bit more concealing. It also aims more for a "soft" kind of femininity than the raw sex appeal the first outfit displays.

It'll certainly attract male attention, but it's generally going to attract a different kind of male attention than the first outfit, from a different kind of guy.
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I would definitely wear this too. It's sooo cute! Now, I'm looking at clothes! LOL! Something to keep in mind though is that I don't have large boobs. Maybe I would wear more revealing tops if I did, I don't know, but I tend to dress with a more concealing top because when you have smaller breasts, the whole boobs will come right out of a top like that quite easily. :2razz:

Yes, I tend to like to dress a little bit on the sexy side when I go out, but that doesn't mean I want to get raped.

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ChrisL said:
I would definitely wear this too. It's sooo cute! Now, I'm looking at clothes! LOL! Something to keep in mind though is that I don't have large boobs. Maybe I would wear more revealing tops if I did, I don't know, but I tend to dress with a more concealing top because when you have smaller breasts, the whole boobs will come right out of a top like that quite easily. :2razz:

Yes, I tend to like to dress a little bit on the sexy side when I go out, but that doesn't mean I want to get raped.

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Like I said at the start here, there isn't anything wrong with that so long as a woman is careful. I was simply pointing out that overtly sexual clothing (which I wouldn't say that the outfit above qualifies as being) does tend to grab a guy's attention in a way that outfits which leave a little something more to the "imagination" do not.

Very often that attention is going to come from exactly the kinds of guys most women probably don't want attention from in the first place.

If paired with behavior to match the clothing, and the wrong guy, this can be a potentially dangerous combination.

The dress is great, BTW. :)
 
Gathomas88 said:
Like I said at the start here, there isn't anything wrong with that so long as a woman is careful. I was simply pointing out that overtly sexual clothing (which I wouldn't say that the outfit above qualifies as being) does tend to grab a guy's attention in a way that outfits which leave a little something more to the "imagination" do not.

Very often that attention is going to come from exactly the kinds of guys most women probably don't want attention from in the first place.

If paired with behavior to match the clothing, and the wrong guy, this can be a potentially dangerous combination.

The dress is great, BTW. :)
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Okay, well admittedly, some of the outfits (like the "cowgirl" one) are really over the top, but honestly I hardly ever see anyone dressed like that, unless they're at some kind of a "theme" party perhaps. Some girls might reveal a little more cleavage or their dress might be a bit shorter, but really most girls/women are dressed pretty much in a similar when they go out because certain clothing is in fashion at the time.

See, girls/women think much differently about clothing than how men might perceive that clothing. Like, the woman might say, My God, this outfit looks fantastic on me and really brings out my best features," and (if what you say is true) the guy is thinking, "wow, she must be looking to get laid." Men need to realize that they are misunderstanding intentions of the women in MOST cases if that's what they think.
 
ChrisL said:
Okay, well admittedly, some of the outfits (like the "cowgirl" one) are really over the top, but honestly I hardly ever see anyone dressed like that, unless they're at some kind of a "theme" party perhaps. Some girls might reveal a little more cleavage or their dress might be a bit shorter, but really most girls/women are dressed pretty much in a similar when they go out because certain clothing is in fashion at the time.

See, girls/women think much differently about clothing than how men might perceive that clothing. Like, the woman might say, My God, this outfit looks fantastic on me and really brings out my best features," and (if what you say is true) the guy is thinking, "wow, she must be looking to get laid." Men need to realize that they are misunderstanding intentions of the women in MOST cases if that's what they think.
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Honestly, the other issue here might be the age groups in question as well. Women in their later twenties and thirties are going to have different sensibilities about their manner of dress and general behavior than women in their late teens or early twenties.

Women between the ages of 16 and 24 are also the age group most likely to run afoul of date rape, precisely because they are more prone to taking foolish risks and tend to gravitate towards the "wrong" kinds of men.

I've seen plenty of young girls dressed rather "provocatively" at the college bars in downtown Charleston. They're not the majority, but they're certainly around.

The other problem is that men are very often justified in viewing women who dress in a provocative manner as being "easy," because they often actually are.

I knew a girl in school, for instance; who bought a pair of thigh high stripper boots and wore them out on the town one evening specifically because she was horny and wanted to entice some guy into picking her up. She came home at the end of the night in an hysterical weepy fit because it didn't happen.

Apparently, she'd bought the boots in the wrong size. This lead her to get blisters on her feet and eventually even sprain her ankle, which pretty seriously (pun intended) shot her chances of making a sexual connection in the foot. :lol:
 
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Gathomas88 said:
Honestly, the other issue here might be the age groups in question as well. Women in their later twenties and thirties are going to have different sensibilities about their manner of dress and general behavior than women in their late teens or early twenties.

Women between the ages of 16 and 24 are also the age group most likely to run afoul of date rape, precisely because they are more prone to taking foolish risks and tend to gravitate towards the "wrong" kinds of men.

I've seen plenty of young girls dressed rather "provocatively" at the college bars in downtown Charleston. They're not the majority, but they're certainly around.

The other problem is that men are very often justified in viewing women who dress in a provocative manner as being "easy," because they often actually are.

I knew a girl in school, for instance; who bought a pair of thigh high stripper boots and wore them out on the town one evening specifically because she was horny and wanted to entice some guy into picking her up. She came home at the end of the night in an hysterical weepy fit because it didn't happen.

Apparently, she'd bought the boots in the wrong size. This lead her to get blisters on her feet and eventually even sprain her ankle, which pretty seriously (pun intended) shot her chances of making a sexual connection in the foot. :lol:
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Well, some people have mental issues Gathomas. Did that ever occur to you? A lot of women, in particular, who behave in this manner are a lot of times victims of some kind of abuse in the past or presently, and that might be their "escape."

Funny story though. :lol:

Yes, teenage girls are going to be more naive. That's a given. They don't have the experience or the critical-thinking skills necessary to make really "good" decisions when it comes to such things. They tend to be risk-takers and to think that bad things only happen to other people.
 
ChrisL said:
Well, some people have mental issues Gathomas. Did that ever occur to you? A lot of women, in particular, who behave in this manner are a lot of times victims of some kind of abuse in the past or presently, and that might be their "escape."

Funny story though. :lol:

Yes, teenage girls are going to be more naive. That's a given. They don't have the experience or the critical-thinking skills necessary to make really "good" decisions when it comes to such things. They tend to be risk-takers and to think that bad things only happen to other people.
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To be fair, I think it has more to do with the general state of "youth culture" than anything else a lot of the time these days.

However, I do agree that emotional problems and simple youthful naivity play a large role as well.
 
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ChrisL said:
Blah, blah, blah Gathomas! If you look the polling results, you will see that MOST people would disagree with you. ;)
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because its common sense that clothes dont make a person a rapist, they are basically a non factor.

Normal adults are crazed animals that get rape inspirations simply by seeing steretypical sluttly clothes.

This is way there arent just people running around rapping eachother at beachs, pools and nude beaches lol
 
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