Are you kidding? This is what you have been implying throughout the entire discussion . . . that girls who dress in a certain manner are sending out certain signals. This is what we have been arguing about the whole time!
Because it's true. A person's style of dress does send off certain signals to the people around them, regardless of whether it is intended to do so or not.
Frankly, even that is a cop out, as in most cases, a person is not oblivious to the signals in question. Most people actually choose their style of dress with the deliberate intention of sending those kinds of signals out in the first place.
Just because it tends to happen, however; does not mean that it justifies rape. I never so much as implied that.
Didn't you ask me what I think when I see a person dressed in a certain way? You did, and I answered your question, and now you're telling me we aren't talking about people I know? :doh
Yes. We were talking about first impressions. If you already know a person, their clothing can't very well make a "first impression," now can it?
I have been nothing but honest, so I don't know what you're insinuating, but anyway NO, I wouldn't judge a person's character based upon their choice of clothing. I would base my opinions based on a person's actions.
A dirty slob in a T-shirt and a clean cut man in a nice suit walk into a bar and / or night club one after the other.
Which one would you rather flirt with? Which one would you rather have approach you?
I don't believe for a single second that you wouldn't make
some kind of assumption about these men based upon their style of dress. Frankly, if you wouldn't, you really need to.
There is a difference between "open mindedness" and simple naivety, after all.
He's saying that he thinks spending time with women is useless unless they "put out."
If you're only in the bar for the explicit purpose of finding someone to have sex with in the first place, it's kind of hard to argue with his logic. :shrug:
About her outfit, I would agree that it is NOT an outfit I would ever wear, but I would not say that she is "slutty" because of it. Instead, I would say that she doesn't know how to dress very nice. Her skirt is much too short. To be fair, she is lifting up the shirt in the photo to show her tattoo, and her back is to the camera, so I don't know just how revealing the shirt is, but from the back, if she just let it down I don't think the shirt is a problem. It's just spaghetti straps, but I don't know how much boob is showing, so it's kind of hard to make a good assessment.
Or at least I wouldn't wear a skirt that short out in public. :mrgreen:
Do you really think that she fell into that outfit by accident, or that she is completely unaware of way in which it leads people to view her?
Let me put it this way:
IF clothing IS a factor in some rapes, that points towards a cultural issue - namely that we think outward appearance indicates internal intent/opinion/whatever, and further, that some rapists are attracted to said persons because they are, however much we might dislike the idea, part of our culture....
As humans in general, we tend to view the outward appearance of a person as highly indicative of their internal self.
Fat person = lazy, possibly stupid, low self-esteem (caused by cultural views, in part?), lack of self-control, etc, etc, whatever.
Scantily dressed female (or male?) - likes showing off her body, probably to attract sexual partners..."slut" is the term that comes to mind...
Thing is, those are actually true in many cases, but how much of that is because the cultural views of such give (in the case of the scantily dressed person, possibly the fat person) people ideas/templates.
And yes, i said fat person...IMO it's BS to use some "PC" term instead - we all know what the terms mean, even if we don't admit it.
Of course it's cultural. It's not like clothing is a part of our intrinsic biology, after all. However, just because it's cultural, doesn't mean that there isn't some truth to it.
These kinds of stereotypes tend to exist for a reason, after all.
It doesn't work that way though. Plenty of guys out there who are going to try for the women they are attracted to, which isn't always going to be the one dressed the sluttiest, even for most guys.
99 times out of 100, those guys are going to be going home alone. :lol:
Such a huge stereotype it isn't even funny. A guy doesn't have to be aggressive or testosterone poisoned to rape a woman. The geeky guy can be just as likely to rape a woman.
Perhaps not. However, the groups most notorious for date rape tend to be frat boys and athletes.
Neither clique is known for attracting particularly "meek" varieties of men, or men with especially respectful attitudes towards women.
I think way too many guys in this conversation are going off of either their personal attractions and attitude or the stereotypes of men that are out there. I am going off of my experience with men.
We actually
are men. We know how men think, and I'm willing to bet that we have more experience dealing with other men than you do.
While not every man will go after "sluts," not every man is promiscuous either. Promiscuous men do tend to overwhelmingly go after women they perceive to be "slutty," precisely because they know that there is a much higher likelihood that they will put out.
