Well, you're wrong. There is no evidence that clothing plays a factor in rapes, any rapes, so you are making claims that are not real.
This actually isn't true. Studies have shown that provocatively dressed women are viewed by men and women alike as being more promiscuous.
This would contribute to misunderstandings that could escalate into rape.
I and plenty of my friends have worn provocative clothing and have never been raped.
And have you not told me that some of the men you've met in bars and clubs in the past had a tendency to take it personally and get angry with you when you told them "no?"
You've even mentioned having to be escorted out to your car on some occasions.
Do you
really think that those kind of situations do not have the potential to escalate into rape?
If there are two women, and one is dressed provocatively but NOT drunk and another is dressed more conservatively and is passed out, the rapist is NOT going to choose the more provocatively dressed female. He is going for the easiest target.
The conservatively dressed woman is going to be a lot less likely to wind up passed out somewhere in the first place. :lol:
Like I said before, this might very well be a "chicken and the egg" kind of situation here, but it's hard to deny that the kinds of women who behave irresponsibly often have a tendency to dress that way as well.
Besides, if a woman "advertising the goods" and one not doing so were
both to be passed out, which do you think most men would prefer?
Sure, in certain situations of date rape, a man might have asked out the woman to begin with because he found her attractive, but men find women attractive no matter what they are wearing, so that is just circular logic. I don't see how you can correlate these things in a rational manner.
Yes, but again, he is going to make certain assumptions based upon clothing he perceives to be "promiscuous" that he will not make of less revealing clothing.
This can contribute to the man feeling slighted when the woman eventually says "no," and that can make an assault more likely.
Exactly. They had some kind of personality disorders to begin with, hence why they were "pushed over the edge" or perhaps they were drunk, but regardless these are "normal" and healthy men. These men have ISSUES, whether that be with women or with themselves.
I never said that they didn't have "issues." However, you were implying that they must all possess a debilitating level of clinical illness.
There's really nothing to support this conclusion where date rape is concerned. That's all I was saying.
I NEVER said that, but what people find attractive IS variable. AND some men might find a more conservatively dressed woman to be more attractive. Maybe they would think of her as cleaner and more innocent? There are too many variables for you to draw the conclusion that dressing provocatively leads to rape. It is a ridiculous jump with no evidence to support it because their are so many different variables involved. It is much more complicated than that.
I never said that it wasn't "complicated." I also never said that clothing was the most important factor.
I said that the attention certain kinds of clothing tends to attract can be dangerous under some circumstances. Again, a pushy asshole who's looking to get in a woman's pants and has an ego delicate enough that he's going to get angry when not allowed entrance generally isn't going to target "clean and innocent" looking women in the first place.
They're simply not advertising a willingness to be approached in the same way that a more provocatively dressed woman would be.
WTH? That's only common sense! It almost sounds as if you are saying that ALL men are rapists or have the potential to be such. I certainly hope you can provide some evidence if that is the case because this is quite a SERIOUS accusation and would be a SERIOUS problem as far as men/women interacting goes.
I don't know about "all men," but if the
"25% of women will be raped before graduating college" figure feminists like to drag out when talking about date rape is even remotely accurate, a "serious problem" would appear to be exactly what we have.
I'm honestly not sure if I believe that. However, either way, it would probably be in a woman's best interests
not to assume that the kind of man who would rape her can be so easily "profiled" as you're suggesting here.
The FACT is I searched for some valid data about this, and there is NOTHING to suggest that the instances of rape among strippers is higher than the regular population. That is NOT the case with prostitutes though.
The Glamorous Life of the Stripper
In the second phase of her survey, Kelly found that:
•100% of the women reported physical abuse in the club.
•100% of the women reported sexual abuse in the club.
•100% of the women reported verbal harassment in the club.
•100% of the women reported being propositioned for prostitution in the club.
•100% of women also witnessed these things happening to other strippers in the club.
Customers committed the overwhelming majority of violent acts.
Club owners, managers, assistant managers, bartenders, music programmers or DJs, bouncers, security guards, floorwalkers, doormen, and valets were guilty to a lesser extent.
I would assume this was common sense, but studies on the subject do show that stripping tends to be a somewhat dangerous line of work.
See above.
Most of the links you post about rape are shady to say the least, and they jump to a LOT of unfounded conclusions.
It was a valid study.
Pretty people tend to have more sex. You would think that was common sense. :shrug:
and beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
To the contrary, at least where male lust is concerned, beauty tends to be rather generic.
The vast majority of men will find themselves aroused by an attractive body even if the woman is not strictly "their type." Men's standards also tend to drop through the floor when looking for a non-serious sexual fling anyway.
And what you are referring to above is a behavior. You can dress provocatively and NOT act slutty. And most of the women I see when I'm out are not taking things to the extremes that you are suggesting. There are always a couple of weirdos in any crowd.
This tends to be rather rare. Again, the kind of person who dresses in an overtly provocative manner in the first place likely isn't doing so for no reason.
Again, there are plenty of men who are turned off by those kinds of women, so it is completely subjective on what would "attract" a rapist.
It attracts the kind of men who are looking for "easy" women. I can just about guarantee you that they intersect with the "potential date rapist" crowd quite often.
Your standards are far from being common sense. You place too much importance on the small details that are too variable to draw definitive conclusions from, and you don't pay enough attention to the bigger picture.
Again, if someone were to try and tell me that there was "no evidence" wearing assless chaps to a gay club, or a tuxedo in a bad neighborhood, would result in an increased likelihood of my getting into trouble, I would laugh them out of the room.
Simple common sense dictates otherwise.
Frankly, even if they were correct (which I
doubt), why would any responsible person take that risk at all?
I really fail to see how this is a hard concept.
