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Rape and Clothing

Rape and clothing correlation

  • I suspect women are wearing revealing clothes in most rape cases

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • I suspect that a man/woman will rape regardless of the victims clothing

    Votes: 24 26.4%

  • I think some women are inviting dangerous attention when wearing revealing attire

    Votes: 5 5.5%

  • I don't think clothes have anything to do with rape

    Votes: 52 57.1%

  • Other

    Votes: 10 11.0%
  • Total voters
    91
Gathomas88 said:
I dare you to point to a single instance of my ever saying anything even remotely implying that it was.

Advising vulnerable persons not to take foolish risks is not tantamount to arguing that rape is "ok."

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Gathomas88 said:
There are certain sexual cues that basically all men tend to be drawn towards. A reasonably attractive woman showing a lot of skin, or wearing extremely tight clothing, is going to grab basically any man's attention regardless of whatever other superficial preferences he might happen to carry.

For instance, I don't think you'll find a man alive who would find this woman to be blatantly unattractive, even if she wasn't necessarily his "type."

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And you would be wrong in this assumption. I lived with a guy who was not attracted to women like the one you pictured at all. He was only attracted to rather large women (both in height and weight). He may be an exception, but since rapists are the exceptions, it is wrong to believe they automatically follow basic, typical male attractions.
 
roguenuke said:
And you would be wrong in this assumption. I lived with a guy who was not attracted to women like the one you pictured at all. He was only attracted to rather large women (both in height and weight). He may be an exception, but since rapists are the exceptions, it is wrong to believe they automatically follow basic, typical male attractions.
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:roll:

Meanwhile, back on planet earth...

I'm sorry, but I really think you are overthinking this. Guys are not complicated creatures.

Now, if you were dealing with a hardcore pathological sexual psychopath, some of what you're claiming here might be true. However, not all rapists fit that bill.

A lot of date rapists, for instance, might very well be first time offenders who didn't have a set plan ahead of time and don't follow any particular M.O.
 
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Gathomas88 said:
There are certain sexual cues that basically all men tend to be drawn towards. A reasonably attractive woman showing a lot of skin, or wearing extremely tight clothing, is going to grab basically any man's attention regardless of whatever other superficial preferences he might happen to carry.

For instance, I don't think you'll find a man alive who would find this woman to be blatantly unattractive, even if she wasn't necessarily his "type."

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Never underestimate the power of individualism (or emotional instability).

I know people that like/don't like aspects of the human anatomy that completely confuse me. And these people will be completely put off a person's appearance because of just that one tiny aspect.

I guarantee you that there is at least one guy, somewhere in the world, that finds this woman 'blatantly unattractive' (not me, of course)...for even the tiniest of reasons.
 
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Gathomas88 said:
:roll:

Meanwhile, back on planet earth...

I'm sorry, but I really think you are overthinking this. Guys are not complicated creatures.

Now, if you were dealing with a hardcore pathological sexual psychopath, some of what you're claiming here might be true. However, not all rapists fit that bill.

A lot of date rapists, for instance, might very well be first time offenders who didn't have a set plan ahead of time and don't follow any particular M.O.
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You are making assumptions based on your personal feelings, attractions. The majority of rapes that you are describing (where the victim is wearing something that attracts their rapist to them with little to no chance to even interact with the rapist) is not going to be based on clothing as much as the type of person that particular rapist is attracted to or what the rapist is attracted to. You are trying to apply the rationale of a man and his attractions to a rapist who already has issues (they wouldn't feel it was okay to rape a woman if they didn't have issues).

Clothing would only come into play with some specific rapists, but what kind of clothing could really be anything. It could be any clothing that is red, or long skirts, or showing cleavage, or a woman that goes out her way to look like a man/less feminine or even just natural. It is impossible to know what might attract a potential rapist without knowing the particular psychology or MO of that rapist. Some rapists only attack redheads, others only women between certain ages, and still others only women who hold certain jobs or are in certain positions.
 
herenow1 said:
Does provocative clothing protect women against rape? | Club Troppo

Common misconceptions about rape

Sexual Assault Myths - TWU Project REV - Texas Woman's University

psychology - Is a woman who dresses sexually suggestively more likely to get raped? - Skeptics Stack Exchange
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In most cases where you are dealing with violent or serial rapists, this true. However, those are not all cases.

Do you really think that those football players in Steubenville, for instance, completely ignored what their victim was wearing or how she presented herself before they assaulted her? Do you really think they went out of their way to "target" or tag her as being "submissive" in any particular sense?

Knowing High school aged boys, I really kind of doubt it.

DA60 said:
Never underestimate the power of individualism (or emotional instability).

I know people that like/don't like aspects of the human anatomy that completely confuse me. And these people will be completely put off a person's appearance because of just that one tiny aspect.

I guarantee you that there is at least one guy, somewhere in the world, that finds this woman 'blatantly unattractive' (not me, of course)...for even the tiniest of reasons.
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Perhaps, but exceptions to this general rule are going to be so rare as to be barely even worth mentioning.
 
DA60 said:
Never underestimate the power of individualism (or emotional instability).

I know people that like/don't like aspects of the human anatomy that completely confuse me. And these people will be completely put off a person's appearance because of just that one tiny aspect.

I guarantee you that there is at least one guy, somewhere in the world, that finds this woman 'blatantly unattractive' (not me, of course)...for even the tiniest of reasons.
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I already gave him one, my ex-roommate. He was a good guy, kinda bland, but he was only attracted to large women. He would not look twice at the woman pictured there. He simply was not attracted to skinny/small women, no matter how much or how little clothing they wore. (For the first few years I lived with him, I thought he was asexual because of his lack of interest in women that most men found attractive and I was pretty sure he wasn't gay (most of the gay guys in our department were well known because it wasn't a big deal). Then he started dating this really nice larger woman until about the time he got out of the Navy and I found out from mutual friends that yeah, he expressed this attraction often while on watch (we didn't stand watches together).)
 
Gathomas88 said:
In most cases where you are dealing with violent or serial rapists, this true. However, those are not all cases.

Do you really think that those football players in Steubenville, for instance, completely ignored what their victim was wearing or how she presented herself before they assaulted her? Do you really think they went out of their way to "target" or tag her as being "submissive" in any particular sense?

Knowing High school aged boys, I really kind of doubt it.



Perhaps, but exceptions to this general rule are going to be so rare as to be barely even worth mentioning.
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Why are you still arguing about this? I thought you agreed that clothing played a negligible role in rape?
 
Gathomas88 said:
There are certain sexual cues that basically all men tend to be drawn towards. A reasonably attractive woman showing a lot of skin, or wearing extremely tight clothing, is going to grab basically any man's attention regardless of whatever other superficial preferences he might happen to carry.

For instance, I don't think you'll find a man alive who would find this woman to be blatantly unattractive, even if she wasn't necessarily his "type."

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My God! How many women do you think run around out in public like that? She looks like a street whore.

Most women are NOT going to dress like that in public because people might mistake them for prostitutes, seriously. :lol:

Do you think women are completely CLUELESS?
 
Gathomas88 said:
In most cases where you are dealing with violent or serial rapists, this true. However, those are not all cases.

Do you really think that those football players in Steubenville, for instance, completely ignored what their victim was wearing or how she presented herself before they assaulted her? Do you really think they went out of their way to "target" or tag her as being "submissive" in any particular sense?

Knowing High school aged boys, I really kind of doubt it.



Perhaps, but exceptions to this general rule are going to be so rare as to be barely even worth mentioning.
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Obviously you have not known many truly racist people.

Unfortunately, I have.

And many of them will state their revulsion for women (whom I consider) stunningly gorgeous looking...just because of the melanin content of their skin (too much or not enough).

Never underestimate the power of emotional instability...or flat out stupidity.

And the above is just one (sad) example of how emotions can cloud judgement.
 
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roguenuke said:
I already gave him one, my ex-roommate. He was a good guy, kinda bland, but he was only attracted to large women. He would not look twice at the woman pictured there. He simply was not attracted to skinny/small women, no matter how much or how little clothing they wore. (For the first few years I lived with him, I thought he was asexual because of his lack of interest in women that most men found attractive and I was pretty sure he wasn't gay (most of the gay guys in our department were well known because it wasn't a big deal). Then he started dating this really nice larger woman until about the time he got out of the Navy and I found out from mutual friends that yeah, he expressed this attraction often while on watch (we didn't stand watches together).)
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Yup...everyone has a 'type' they like.

And some are more extreme about it then others.
 
roguenuke said:
You are making assumptions based on your personal feelings, attractions. The majority of rapes that you are describing (where the victim is wearing something that attracts their rapist to them with little to no chance to even interact with the rapist) is not going to be based on clothing as much as the type of person that particular rapist is attracted to or what the rapist is attracted to. You are trying to apply the rationale of a man and his attractions to a rapist who already has issues (they wouldn't feel it was okay to rape a woman if they didn't have issues).

Clothing would only come into play with some specific rapists, but what kind of clothing could really be anything. It could be any clothing that is red, or long skirts, or showing cleavage, or a woman that goes out her way to look like a man/less feminine or even just natural. It is impossible to know what might attract a potential rapist without knowing the particular psychology or MO of that rapist. Some rapists only attack redheads, others only women between certain ages, and still others only women who hold certain jobs or are in certain positions.
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Again, however; you're talking about hardcore psychopaths there. Like it or not, not all rapists fit that bill.

Again, look at those boys in Steubenville. You can't tell me that the behavior and style of dress of the girl in that case didn't play at least some role in giving her rapists the impression that it would be okay for them to "cop a feel" and take advantage after she passed out.

Sure, it tends to require a somewhat disturbed individual to make those kinds of mental leaps in the first place. However, that doesn't mean that there is necessarily anything "pathological" about their behavior.

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And yes, they were still wrong. Explaining the motivations behind certain behaviors does not excuse them.

That should really go without saying, but you apparently never know with this thread. :roll:

ChrisL said:
Why are you still arguing about this? I thought you agreed that clothing played a negligible role in rape?
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It doesn't play a major role, but it does play at least some role in some cases.

A couple of posters in this thread are trying to claim that it plays literally no role. I'm sorry, but that is simply obtuse.

ChrisL said:
My God! How many women do you think run around out in public like that? She looks like a street whore.

Most women are NOT going to dress like that in public because people might mistake them for prostitutes, seriously. :lol:

Do you think women are completely CLUELESS?
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Unfortunately, some are. :shrug:

Most are not, thank God, but more responsible women were never the kinds I was referring to here in the first place.
 
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Gathomas88 said:
A couple of posters in this thread are trying to claim that it plays literally no role. I'm sorry, but that is simply obtuse.
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you mean the super vast majority
 
Gathomas88 said:
Again, however; you're talking about hardcore psychopaths there. Like it or not, not all rapists fit that bill.

Again, look at those boys in Steubenville. You can't tell me that the behavior and style of dress of the girl in that case didn't play at least some role in giving her rapists the impression that it would be okay for them to "cop a feel" and take advantage after she passed out.

Sure, it tends to require a somewhat disturbed individual to make those kinds of mental leaps in the first place. However, that doesn't mean that there is necessarily anything "pathological" about their behavior
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No. A guy who would cop a feel of a woman passed out is not going to allow clothing to get in the way or be the determining factor in his mind for whether he should cop that feel or not.
 
Gathomas88 said:
Again, however; you're talking about hardcore psychopaths there. Like it or not, not all rapists fit that bill.

Again, look at those boys in Steubenville. You can't tell me that the behavior and style of dress of the girl in that case didn't play at least some role in giving her rapists the impression that it would be okay for them to "cop a feel" and take advantage after she passed out.

Sure, it tends to require a somewhat disturbed individual to make those kinds of mental leaps in the first place. However, that doesn't mean that there is necessarily anything "pathological" about their behavior.

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And yes, they were still wrong. Explaining the motivations behind certain behaviors does not excuse them.

That should really go without saying, but you apparently never know with this thread. :roll:



It doesn't play a major role, but it does play at least some role in some cases.

A couple of posters in this thread are trying to claim that it plays literally no role. I'm sorry, but that is simply obtuse.



Unfortunately, some are. :shrug:

Most are not, thank God, but more responsible women were never the kinds I was referring to here in the first place.
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We've already shown you how LITTLE a role clothing would play in practically any rape. It's more opportunity. Instead of worrying yourself SO much about what a woman is wearing, worry about the behaviors instead.

We've already demonstrated how, if a woman chooses to dress like a hooker in public, she CAN as long as she follows a few simple rules, so clothing is REALLY not the issue here.
 
Gathomas88 said:
Most of the women, and a handful of the guys. Most of the guys (and even a couple of the women) have argued that it can play a role in some cases just as I have.

What's your point?
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point?
just pointing out the fact that 82.43% is more then a "couple" and your statement was factually wrong
 
roguenuke said:
No. A guy who would cop a feel of a woman passed out is not going to allow clothing to get in the way or be the determining factor in his mind for whether he should cop that feel or not.
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Again, I simply don't believe that. I'm a guy. I know how guys think; even the piggier ones.

She presented herself as a target open to sexual approach, and so they treated her as one once her defenses were down.
 
Gathomas88 said:
Again, I simply don't believe that. I'm a guy. I know how guys think; even the piggier ones.

She presented herself as a target open to sexual approach, and so they treated her as one once her defenses were down.
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No, her defenses being down was the major factor there, not her clothing. There is no reason to believe that had she been wearing something like jeans or a long skirt, that they would have been less likely to take advantage of her in that situation, passed out.
 
ChrisL said:
We've already shown you how LITTLE a role clothing would play in practically any rape. It's more opportunity. Instead of worrying yourself SO much about what a woman is wearing, worry about the behaviors instead.

We've already demonstrated how, if a woman chooses to dress like a hooker in public, she CAN as long as she follows a few simple rules, so clothing is REALLY not the issue here.
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That's fine, but it doesn't mean that clothing doesn't still play a role in putting women at risk.

It simply happens to be the case that the risk in question can be managed and brought down to more acceptable levels if one takes other precautions.
 
roguenuke said:
No. A guy who would cop a feel of a woman passed out is not going to allow clothing to get in the way or be the determining factor in his mind for whether he should cop that feel or not.
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100% correct

any guy mentally deranged and sick enough to rape a girl in a bikini is mentally deranged and sick enough to rape a girl in a parka

clothes dont create a rapist, a broken mind does

its completely mentally inept nonsense to think otheriwse
 
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Well out of 75 votes only 5 voted that clothes play a role. This site is mostly male so I don't think it's just a handful of men who agree with the majority of women here.
 
Gathomas88 said:
That's fine, but it doesn't mean that clothing doesn't still play a role in putting women at risk.

It simply happens to be the case that the risk in question can be managed and brought down to more acceptable levels if one takes other precautions.
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Wearing different clothing does not decrease your risk of being raped, as was shown to you in Aunt Spiker's links.
 
roguenuke said:
No, her defenses being down was the major factor there, not her clothing. There is no reason to believe that had she been wearing something like jeans or a long skirt, that they would have been less likely to take advantage of her in that situation, passed out.
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If she had been dressed more conservatively, she probably wouldn't have been hanging out with those guys in the first place. They wouldn't have been interested.
 
roguenuke said:
No, her defenses being down was the major factor there, not her clothing. There is no reason to believe that had she been wearing something like jeans or a long skirt, that they would have been less likely to take advantage of her in that situation, passed out.
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Agree, plenty of women go out scantily clad (maybe not like the woman in the picture a few posts ago, but you know what I mean - LOL), and they don't get raped. However, if they drink too much and go off with some strange guy in his car or something, THEN they are putting themselves at risk IMO.
 
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