How she acts? Fine. How she was dressed? Bad way to determine "consent."
It is a necessary part of this conversation. how a woman acts before a "date rape" is an important issue in determining who told the truth as to whether consent or buyer's remorse is in play
Because some men behave like morons, women should too? That doesn't strike me as being as especially compelling argument. :shrug:
Ideally, no one would indulge in this kind of behavior.
Frankly, men pay the price for bad behavior in a lot of ways too. It simply happens to be the case that we're a bit less vulnerable than women are.
Because some men behave like morons, women should too? That doesn't strike me as being as especially compelling argument. :shrug:
Ideally, no one would indulge in this kind of behavior.
Frankly, men pay the price for bad behavior in a lot of ways too. It simply happens to be the case that we're a bit less vulnerable than women are.
Whatever happened to the notion of: We were getting along and having a good time?
You know - I've often wondered if all these 'signals' these women send are just being 'nice' or even responding to what might seem to be a 'polite, nice guy' - but his intentions were full of smarmy desires and foul intent.
Maybe the 'she shows interest!' is just a bull**** LIE (gee - how surprising - a criminal lying to support his crime) which apparently has a lot of people on the hook of belief.
Rape is 100% wrong in 100% of all cases.
End of story
that's a good point but the focus in this thread has been on a woman's dress and rape and one poster was correct in noting "rape" can mean several different things
1) forcing someone with threats of violence to engage in unwanted sex
Well - clearly the victim wouldn't *know* that he was going to drug her to rape her - or had done so in the past . . . so that's not going to help. What are hte signs that go along with people who *do that *****?2) drugging someone so they no longer are able to resist sex or to say no
I don't see how. What - if I wear something that someone finds appealing I'm more likely to give in to pressure? I don't follow, here? Or - he's more likely to get turned on?3) and to some people-rape involves convincing a woman to have sex even if she initially didn't want to
its the third category where the dress of the victim may be relevant
No, but we always strive for equality and don't settle for inequality because of the inability of any relevant party to behave like an adult that is in control of their actions.
Women are as vulnerable as a man perceives them to be. Raise the bar for gods sake.
"Equality" isn't always a good thing. :lol:
If you intend on waiting on the "better nature" of humanity to prevail, you are going to be waiting for a very, very long time, I'm afraid.
Bad people do not cease to be bad simply because you dislike their way of doing things.
true
but the issue is
was there rape
that is the question
just because a woman cries rape doesn't establish guilt
BTW anonymous polls SUCK
true
but the issue is
was there rape
that is the question
just because a woman cries rape doesn't establish guilt
No, there is no question.
RAPE IS ALWAYS WRONG IN EVERY CASE.
NO OTHER ANSWER.
You only get closer by maintaining it as an expectation though.
Explain the "Equality" isn't always a good thing. comment please
We have various measures in place to minimize falsehoods - it's hard to prove one way or another. . . but I'm never going ot knee jerk with the belief that 'she's lying!'
:shrug:
It's not too far from the truth.
"There's a beast in every man..."
Most of us can keep things more or less together, but there are many who cannot. Those men are not going to be going anywhere any time soon.
Women need to be wary of them for exactly that reason.
Frankly, I don't really understand why it is so offensive to suggest that women not behave like irresponsible flakes anyway.
sometimes women lie
example
Patty Bowman's accusations of WK Smith-clear case of crying rape when none took place
The DUKE LaCrosse scandal
and my favorite
UC Basketball star Louis Banks was accused of raping a UC Student
facts
on FRIDAY night she claims he raped her
A DAY LATER on Saturday she admitted they had CONSENSUAL SEX
took the jury about 20 minutes to acquit
most of us who were aware of the case were amazed it even got past the Grand Jury
This quote is always trotted out whenever a discussion of rape takes place, and I always find it ridiculous. There are many ways to demonstrate power and control over someone, rape is only one of them. So to say that rape is not about sex at all is just silly. It may also be about power and control, but it's at least partly about sex.
:shrug:
It's not too far from the truth.
"There's a beast in every man..."
Most of us can keep things more or less together, but there are many who cannot. Those men are not going to be going anywhere any time soon.
Women need to be wary of them for exactly that reason.
Frankly, I don't really understand why it is so offensive to suggest that women not behave like irresponsible flakes anyway.
Cool. Well, nice talking to ya.Or you could clarify how your rambling points actually relate to her post - because they still don't match up. You're all in a tizzy, apparently over nothing. If you want to have a one-sided spazz attack rather than take a moment to clarify then by all means . . . go ahead.
Yes, I know - sometimes women lie . . .and sometimes men lie. Sometimes people lie.
You know - people suck.
The best thing we can do is avoid other people at all costs and disbelieve anything anyone ever says.