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Rape and Clothing

Rape and clothing correlation

  • I suspect women are wearing revealing clothes in most rape cases

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I suspect that a man/woman will rape regardless of the victims clothing

    Votes: 24 26.4%
  • I think some women are inviting dangerous attention when wearing revealing attire

    Votes: 5 5.5%
  • I don't think clothes have anything to do with rape

    Votes: 52 57.1%
  • Other

    Votes: 10 11.0%

  • Total voters
    91
I agree with everything you said! People seem to forget that sometimes it happens not b/c you're NOT avoiding situations. Sometimes it's unexpected, and the girl didn't make poor choices or put herself somewhere she shouldn't have been. Sometimes it happens unexpectedly!



Absolutely true, and even if a girl made poor choices I would not blame *her* for getting raped... but at the same time I think we need to recognize that poor choices frequently lead into it, and thus making better choices reduces your risks.
 
Since posters are getting upset that the yoga thread keeps getting derailed I will ask this here. Do you think most (true cases- not made up, let's not turn this into he said she said discussion) people who get raped are wearing revealing clothing?

It is absolute and complete bull, and nothing but either a statement from ignorance or an attempt to sexually shame women.

Most rapes are committed by someone the target knows, and knows well, and the majority of rapes are planned.

Your average rape happens when a woman is wearing jeans and a t-shirt, perpetuated by someone who is supposed to love her, but has actually been planning to assault her for the power rush for days or weeks.

Not that it matters. Women are not responsible for the repulsive actions of others, and to make rape an issue of clothing is to claim men are equivalent to rabid dogs.
 
The first precaution is not to put yourself in risky atmospheres. The "first precaution" is hardly carrying a gun.



Unsavory neighborhoods? I agree. What sane woman does that? And yet. An enclosed parking garage very late at night...parked-around-the-corner-from-the-club late at night...using a large parking lot as a meeting/drop-off place late at night...getting into an elevator with someone who makes the hairs on your neck stand up...using stairwells...all of these things are done by women every single day of the week. Risky behavior, in my opinion.

Why would carrying a gun not be a precaution? You're aware that some women have to travel alone and may not always be aware of their upcoming surroundings right? Some women also go on get aways alone too, and meet up with friends. You can purposefully avoid certain situations, but not all.
 
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What page was it on? I read the question but lost the post so I can't quote it.

Someone asked 'what is a crime of opportunity'

Crime of opportunity is a criminal-psychology theory in which the perpetrator seeks out an adequate victim to suit their desired MO with minimal risk and effort.

Talking about rape makes it complicated (though the main need is privacy) - focus on something else (like a mugging) and it puts it into easier focus: someone who isn't able to fight back and who might be carrying adequate money. Little old ladies with purses - for example. Or someone standing at an ATM. Men are less likely to be mugged because they are more likely to be physically on par or superior to the perpetrator - or armed (statistically speaking, males conceal carry at a higher rate).

When talking about rape - knowing that most happen from a known assailant - the opportunity would be privacy and existing proximity. Privacy minimizes risk of being caught by someone else and lets them control the situation and the existing knowledge of said individual facilitates comfort which increases closeness between the per and the potential victim.
 
It's not the clothes. It's not power.

Opportunism, pure and simple.

This isn't really true either. Opportunity plays a role in how a person might succeed in a rape, but it is not why a person rapes another. The average man or woman would not rape another person even if they were laying in a bed naked and passed out who the person knew did not want to have sex with them. Plenty of women go home or even to a hotel room with men (I do realize that men can be raped and women can be rapists as well, but it happens most often as women being raped and men being the rapist) who did not get raped after telling the man "no", even while sleeping in the same bed with them.
 
I really don't think things are quite that simple.

Some rapes simply escalate out of misunderstandings.

While I agree, I don't think the misunderstandings would be mainly caused by what clothes a person was wearing. It would be more due to the reactions the person had to the beginnings of sexual activity (PDA, touching, teasing, groping, etc.) and them not firmly stating they were not interested.
 
This isn't really true either. Opportunity plays a role in how a person might succeed in a rape, but it is not why a person rapes another. The average man or woman would not rape another person even if they were laying in a bed naked and passed out who the person knew did not want to have sex with them. Plenty of women go home or even to a hotel room with men (I do realize that men can be raped and women can be rapists as well, but it happens most often as women being raped and men being the rapist) who did not get raped after telling the man "no", even while sleeping in the same bed with them.

Yes - the existing state of mind of being a rapist (whatever that might be - control, etc) has to exist.

So a rapist is far more likely to take advantage of that situation as opposed to the average person.

Average people don't commit crimes of that nature.
 
I don't know the mind of a rapist. Men do have a more visual stimulation for sex . But rape is both deviant behavior in the extreme as well as a criminal act

To say what a woman wears is a significant factor doesn't add up. I think the rapist just picks a target, whomever she is. Why women must be careful at all times.

So called "date rape" seems a bit different, this is prolly more about lack of impulse control, rather then premeditated rape...seems logical.
 
Why would carrying a gun not be a precaution? You're aware that some women have to travel alone and may not always be aware of their upcoming surroundings right? Some women also go on get aways alone too and meet up with friends. You can purposefully avoid certain situations, but not all.

The post I responded to said that was a logical "first precaution." The first precaution is not to put one's self into risky situations.

That a woman is going to be blitz-attacked in a stranger-rape scenerio is far more likely than someone coming up to them to start a conversation. And far enough away to give a woman time to access a pistol to defend herself. A punch in the face and it's lights out. A choke hold from behind and it's lights out. For the most part, in my opinion, a woman is going to be up close and personal before she even realizes she's a victim.

Far more effective than carrying a pistol, in my opinion, would be traveling in pairs, not parking in unlit areas, not walking down the street alone at 2 AM, not being tipsy walking alone to one's car, not walking alone to one's car in a covered garage late at night; not inviting a blind date into your home; not being alone with a date you just met on Craig's List. Those and many other sensible precautions would be much more effective than carrying a gun.
 
I really don't think things are quite that simple.

Some rapes simply escalate out of misunderstandings.

An escalation relies on an existing situation - again, not clothing.

Situations like: they're making out - and she says no... Or she's wasted drunk and can't say no... etc.

I don't see how the ensemble matters much when the main roadblock is the physical prowess of the victim and their ability to fight back/yell for help (etc). . . and of course you always need some asshole.
 
If witnesses are allowed to testify over what the woman was wearing then the woman has a really ****ty lawyer and/or lives in a really ****ty state.

What a woman is wearing doesn't make a man rape her, the man being a scumbag and/or evil and/or having severe psychological issues concerning a need for power and control is what makes him rape her. A good man would never do that regardless of what she was wearing.

you and many others who don't understand trials missed the point
 
Men do have a more visual stimulation for sex .

I am really damned tired of this tripe being repeated ad nausea. If men seem to meet this criteria it's because they're guided to do so by society.
 
I have no idea. But I would assume that there is a correlation between clothing and alcohol and rape. People dress up in "provocative" clothing when they go out to party and sites of partying may be a target rich environment for rapists.
 
While I agree, I don't think the misunderstandings would be mainly caused by what clothes a person was wearing. It would be more due to the reactions the person had to the beginnings of sexual activity (PDA, touching, teasing, groping, etc.) and them not firmly stating they were not interested.

An escalation relies on an existing situation - again, not clothing.

Situations like: they're making out - and she says no... Or she's wasted drunk and can't say no... etc.

I don't see how the ensemble matters much when the main roadblock is the physical prowess of the victim and their ability to fight back/yell for help (etc). . . and of course you always need some asshole.

I never said that clothing was the major factor, only a contributing factor. A woman can dress as "sexily" as she wants and be perfectly fine so long as she is careful about the company she keeps and does not take foolish risks like partying alone or getting overly intoxicated.

The major problem with provocative clothing is simply that it tends to draw the wrong kind of attention from certain types of men. This can sometimes be dangerous, depending upon the other factors at play.

Yes - the existing state of mind of being a rapist (whatever that might be - control, etc) has to exist.

So a rapist is far more likely to take advantage of that situation as opposed to the average person.

Average people don't commit crimes of that nature.

Absolutely true. Generally speaking, it requires a certain kind of personality type to rape.

I've actually had the "hotel room no nookie" scenario Roguenuke was describing earlier happen to me before after a night out dancing. My first impulse certainly wasn't to take the sex I desired by force.

I simply left. :shrug:

However, you can hardly deny that there are certain men out there who will not take the blow to their ego this represents so easily. Sometimes dressing in a certain manner can draw their attention, or contribute to misunderstandings of basic intent which might possibly result in a rape scenario further down the line.

This is why it is generally advisable to take other precautions.
 
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Again, believe that if you want.

In practical reality, on the other hand, things are almost never that simple. If a woman's wearing her best pair of booty shorts, spends the whole evening grinding said booty shorts up against some guy's crotch, lets him get her drunk while doing so, follows him to a secluded area afterwards, and then finds herself in an altercation at the end of the night when she says "no" and he tries to press the matter anyway, it cannot be denied that her poor choices ultimately did play a role in allowing the situation to escalate to that point.

Does that make the man's actions any less wrong? Nope. He should be fried like the rapist scum he is.

However, this doesn't alter the reality that it is very much in a woman's best interests to avoid the kinds of behaviors and situations which might result in her being victimized in the first place.

It was not what she was wearing though as much as her actions that were the bad choices. Those actions do not require a person to be in "booty shorts" to lead to the same ending.
 
Since posters are getting upset that the yoga thread keeps getting derailed I will ask this here. Do you think most (true cases- not made up, let's not turn this into he said she said discussion) people who get raped are wearing revealing clothing?

If you're mean are you asking to get murdered? If you go on vacation are you asking to get robbed?

It's true that people can make choices that will make them less likely to wind up a victim. But being extremely careful about who you spend time with alone is much more important than whether or not your pants are tight.
 
It was not what she was wearing though as much as her actions that were the bad choices. Those actions do not require a person to be in "booty shorts" to lead to the same ending.

Yes, but her choice of clothing almost certainly did play a role in attracting that particular guy's attention in the first place, and forming his perception of her intent.

Like I said, clothing might only be a contributing factor, but it is still a factor in some cases.
 
I fail to see how suggesting that women take the precautions necessary to look for themselves in strange company let's men "off the hook" here at all.

If you were to see a strange animal wandering aimlessly around your neighborhood, would you not take care to make yourself less vulnerable to a potential attack?

Sure, if it does try anything, it will almost certainly be put down. However, that's going to be small consolation for anyone unlucky enough to be mauled by the creature in the first place.

As far as women are concerned, strange men should always be viewed as exactly such animals until proven otherwise. Sure, we can be friendly, but we can also be dangerous, and often times unpredictable as well. This problem only gets worse in a sexually charged environment where perception altering substances are in wide availability.

And none of this has to do with clothing. There are many more effective ways to take precautions. Women who dress conservatively have and do get raped too.

I still say it has very little to do with clothing, if at all for most rapists, and more to do with opportunity.
 
And none of this has to do with clothing. There are many more effective ways to take precautions. Women who dress conservatively have and do get raped too.

I still say it has very little to do with clothing, if at all for most rapists, and more to do with opportunity.

As stated earlier, it is a contributing factor, not the primary cause.

The major problem with overly suggestive clothing is simply that it draws a great deal of attention to one's self. Sometimes, that attention can be dangerous.

Again, however; as has already been pointed out, that level of danger can be pretty easily negated in a lot of cases by taking simple, common sense precautions.
 
The post I responded to said that was a logical "first precaution." The first precaution is not to put one's self into risky situations.

That a woman is going to be blitz-attacked in a stranger-rape scenerio is far more likely than someone coming up to them to start a conversation. And far enough away to give a woman time to access a pistol to defend herself. A punch in the face and it's lights out. A choke hold from behind and it's lights out. For the most part, in my opinion, a woman is going to be up close and personal before she even realizes she's a victim.

Far more effective than carrying a pistol, in my opinion, would be traveling in pairs, not parking in unlit areas, not walking down the street alone at 2 AM, not being tipsy walking alone to one's car, not walking alone to one's car in a covered garage late at night; not inviting a blind date into your home; not being alone with a date you just met on Craig's List. Those and many other sensible precautions would be much more effective than carrying a gun.

You mean to tell me you always walk in pairs with other women at night? You've never been somewhere later than you intended and found yourself walking to your car in a garage somewhere? I'm all about common sense, but sometimes life happens and you don't always have a bodyguard or two-three other girlfriends with you at the snap of a finger.Sometimes things happen and it causes you to reassess everything you THOUGHT you knew!
 
What you described is a crime of opportunity. It didn't have to do with her clothing. If she was wearing jeans and T-shirt in your scenario, would the rape not have happened? :roll:
That's what I always taught my kids. Dressing provocatively is not the only risk factor. Getting yourself into a situation where some asshole can take advantage of it is even more dangerous.
 
Yes, but her choice of clothing almost certainly did play a role in attracting that particular guy's attention in the first place, and forming his perception of her intent.

Like I said, clothing might only be a contributing factor, but it is still a factor in some cases.

That might not be true at all. If that were the case, rapists would be hanging around at beaches and that is where rapes would occur most often because that is where females are wearing the least clothing. Instead, like another person noted, most rapes are probably occurring at college campuses because that is where the most opportunities are present because the college women are getting too drunk. Those guys aren't looking for the most scantily clad girl but the one who is the most drunk because they think they might be able to get away with it.

Usually, when women are stalked and raped, it has very little if anything at all to do with their clothing because that is usually someone they know or are acquainted with.
 
I am really damned tired of this tripe being repeated ad nausea. If men seem to meet this criteria it's because they're guided to do so by society.
I am no expert on sexuality. There is some evidence that men are more tuned in visually to be able to recognize the female form from afar.( From memory) this is more a holdover from the past. but it was something I read once just in fleeting
I can't find the link, and have no interest in debating this. reject it if you wish.
 
you and many others who don't understand trials missed the point

Do you really think what she was wearing a valid defense for rape?

What about this? Does this include things such as "what was she wearing?" Perhaps under "opinion evidence?"

Rape shield law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In the United States of America[edit]

In the late 1970s and early 1980s, almost all jurisdictions in the United States adopted some form of rape shield statute. The laws in each state differ according to the scope of sexual behavior shielded and time limits of the shield. Many states do not permit any evidence relating to the past sexual behavior of the victim. This encompasses evidence of specific instances of the victim's prior or subsequent sexual conduct including opinion evidence or reputation evidence.[3]
 
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