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Rape and Clothing

Rape and clothing correlation

  • I suspect women are wearing revealing clothes in most rape cases

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I suspect that a man/woman will rape regardless of the victims clothing

    Votes: 24 26.4%
  • I think some women are inviting dangerous attention when wearing revealing attire

    Votes: 5 5.5%
  • I don't think clothes have anything to do with rape

    Votes: 52 57.1%
  • Other

    Votes: 10 11.0%

  • Total voters
    91
I don't think it makes any difference what someone's wearing...for the most part. I think there are exceptions. I also think women are inviting dangerous attention when they are wearing ****-me clothes.


I think you're right.

I know the mantra these days is "its not about sex, its about power". Well, it is about power exercised sexually, if you like... any way you slice it, sex is involved. Not normal healthy sex, it is messed up evil sex, but sexual nonetheless.

I think rapists probably come in more than one flavor. One kind probably is all about power, and punishing women for some reason, making them suffer, etc.

But I'm pretty damn sure there's a Type II for whom it is more about sex. Messed-up evil sex, sure, but sex. The sort that thinks "I want to **** her, she'd never get with me in a million years but I'm going to **** her anyway whether she wants it or not!" This is more the date-rape type than the stalker type, but I'm reasonably certain this type DOES exist... and that in some cases his mind turns to forcible rape AFTER first getting turned-on...


Now ducking for cover as the Usual Suspects bring the artillery to bear on me...
 
Haven't read the whole thread, just first and last page... but let me take a WILD ASS GUESS...


Someone, probably male, dared to imply that there were things a woman might avoid doing that might reduce her chances of being raped.


This person was then dogpiled and told they were excusing rape, apologizing for the rapist, attempting to disempower women, etc etc.


Good guess?

I agree that there are obviously precautions women can take. I think carrying a gun/weapon would be the first precaution. I also agree that women shouldn't be walking alone in unsavory neighborhoods, but I don't know of any women who would be dumb enough to do that, especially since rape is one of the things women fear the most. Also sometimes women do get lost, and might find themselves in one of these places...certainly not their fault. I just didn't like the insinuation that yoga pants can be a turn on and a woman might find herself harmed b/c she wears them.
 
You completely missed my point.

Just as you missed mine. I'm not going to explain again because you seem incapable of thinking outside of your little liberal box.
 
Haven't read the whole thread, just first and last page... but let me take a WILD ASS GUESS...


Someone, probably male, dared to imply that there were things a woman might avoid doing that might reduce her chances of being raped.


This person was then dogpiled and told they were excusing rape, apologizing for the rapist, attempting to disempower women, etc etc.


Good guess?

Well someone actually said that if a woman dresses provacatively, she actually asked for it therefor it's not rape. Like you, I haven't read much beyond that so I don't know if it was a serious comment or not, but FTR, it is a position with which I strongly disagree.
 
Just as you missed mine. I'm not going to explain again because you seem incapable of thinking outside of your little liberal box.

whatever
 
I don't think it makes any difference what someone's wearing...for the most part. I think there are exceptions. I also think women are inviting dangerous attention when they are wearing ****-me clothes.

Ooh Maggie please - women never go out wearing ****me clothes!

Look at your gorgeous avatar - I'm assuming it's you? Now all I see is a beautiful woman. However, I'm old enough to remember a time when certain narrow minded people would have said that your red lipstick was provocative, asking for it. It used to be known as prostitute red. Now we've moved on, thankfully, to knowing that that's a bull$hit argument. And so is the idea that there are ****me clothes. Some women dress like that out of insecurity, naïvety or simply because they like it. They don't deserve to be raped and shouldn't be blamed for it if they are. Please let's not talk about ****me clothes; or rapists will always have their excuse. In some communities that very kind of argument keeps women under burqas.
 
I agree that there are obviously precautions women can take. I think carrying a gun/weapon would be the first precaution.

The first precaution is not to put yourself in risky atmospheres. The "first precaution" is hardly carrying a gun.

I also agree that women shouldn't be walking alone in unsavory neighborhoods, but I don't know of any women who would be dumb enough to do that, especially since rape is one of the things women fear the most. Also sometimes women do get lost, and might find themselves in one of these places...certainly not their fault. I just didn't like the insinuation that yoga pants can be a turn on and a woman might find herself harmed b/c she wears them.

Unsavory neighborhoods? I agree. What sane woman does that? And yet. An enclosed parking garage very late at night...parked-around-the-corner-from-the-club late at night...using a large parking lot as a meeting/drop-off place late at night...getting into an elevator with someone who makes the hairs on your neck stand up...using stairwells...all of these things are done by women every single day of the week. Risky behavior, in my opinion.
 
Ooh Maggie please - women never go out wearing ****me clothes!

Look at your gorgeous avatar - I'm assuming it's you? Now all I see is a beautiful woman. However, I'm old enough to remember a time when certain narrow minded people would have said that your red lipstick was provocative, asking for it. It used to be known as prostitute red. Now we've moved on, thankfully, to knowing that that's a bull$hit argument. And so is the idea that there are ****me clothes. Some women dress like that out of insecurity, naïvety or simply because they like it. They don't deserve to be raped and shouldn't be blamed for it if they are. Please let's not talk about ****me clothes; or rapists will always have their excuse. In some communities that very kind of argument keeps women under burqas.

triple like
 
We should bring in Ted Nugent since he is back in the news and could comment on Rape.
Oh wait, he's campaigning for GOP gubernatorial candidate Abbott in Texas.
Abbott says he was unaware of Nugent's rages on stage against BHO with a gun, and all the rest .
 
Rape is a crime of violence, power and control that just happens to be sexual by it's means.
Clothing on the victim has very little or nothing to do with why men rape.
 
Oh well then, maybe we should shave our heads, get fat, not wear makeup and make ourselves look as ugly as humanly possible because you never know WHAT some dude might find "attractive."

Only THAT wouldn't work because fat and unattractive women get raped too. If we all really want to be honest, the MAIN reason why women get raped is because they have a vagina, they are physically weaker and smaller than men, and some men take advantage of that fact to just "take" what they want. PERIOD.

I knew I would regret posting in this thread. :lol:
 
The OP seems to be suggesting that rapists are planning to rape and then choose a victim. The majority of rapes are committed by people known to the victim. They have personal relationships, sometimes romantic, sometimes familial, sometimes professional. They are the result not of a momentary stimulus, but of a preexisting situation.

The image of a stranger in a dark alley just doesn't square with reality.
 
Haven't read the whole thread, just first and last page... but let me take a WILD ASS GUESS...


Someone, probably male, dared to imply that there were things a woman might avoid doing that might reduce her chances of being raped.


This person was then dogpiled and told they were excusing rape, apologizing for the rapist, attempting to disempower women, etc etc.


Good guess?

Pretty much. :lol:
 
I don't think it makes any difference what someone's wearing...for the most part. I think there are exceptions. I also think women are inviting dangerous attention when they are wearing ****-me clothes.

This, in a nut shell.
 
I agree that there are obviously precautions women can take. I think carrying a gun/weapon would be the first precaution. I also agree that women shouldn't be walking alone in unsavory neighborhoods, but I don't know of any women who would be dumb enough to do that, especially since rape is one of the things women fear the most. Also sometimes women do get lost, and might find themselves in one of these places...certainly not their fault. I just didn't like the insinuation that yoga pants can be a turn on and a woman might find herself harmed b/c she wears them.



Well... let me expound a little bit about what I mean. It's not really so much about clothing, though that can be a part of it...

I have a bud who is chief of campus police at a major university. Well guess what: his office has seen a lot of rape cases over the years. We've talked about it a bit, here's what he's telling me.

A lot of these college girls go out to party in small groups, dressed very sexy, and get ****faced wasted in places where they don't really know many of the people there. Not too uncommonly they are found in a back room with their clothes in disarray and only vague memories of what happened.

His office's advice to young women on campus? Don't get so drunk/high that your judgment is shot; if you simply MUST party that way, be careful to do so only around people you know well and trust implicitly, and do not allow unfamiliar persons to lead you away from the group to somewhere out of sight of your friends.

They have to be VERY careful in how they dispense this very good advice, though, lest they run afoul of the more extreme variety of campus feminist who insist that any limitations on a woman's behavior is being an apologist for rape.


Personally, I think it is a great pity that good common-sense advice can't be given without it being misconstrued in that manner.
 
Ooh Maggie please - women never go out wearing ****me clothes!

Look at your gorgeous avatar - I'm assuming it's you? Now all I see is a beautiful woman. However, I'm old enough to remember a time when certain narrow minded people would have said that your red lipstick was provocative, asking for it. It used to be known as prostitute red. Now we've moved on, thankfully, to knowing that that's a bull$hit argument. And so is the idea that there are ****me clothes. Some women dress like that out of insecurity, naïvety or simply because they like it. They don't deserve to be raped and shouldn't be blamed for it if they are. Please let's not talk about ****me clothes; or rapists will always have their excuse. In some communities that very kind of argument keeps women under burqas.

Women who wear provocative clothing are inviting unwanted attention - some of it can be dangerous.
 
Well someone actually said that if a woman dresses provacatively, she actually asked for it therefor it's not rape. Like you, I haven't read much beyond that so I don't know if it was a serious comment or not, but FTR, it is a position with which I strongly disagree.

I think Gipper was just being a smart ass.

(I sure as **** hope so, at the very least :lol:)
 
In the republicon party rape can be viewed a legitimate or illegitamate.
I am still trying to figure this one out...:lamo
 
Since posters are getting upset that the yoga thread keeps getting derailed I will ask this here. Do you think most (true cases- not made up, let's not turn this into he said she said discussion) people who get raped are wearing revealing clothing?

I think I would go with inviting dangerous attention. But then again it all depends on where the gal is going.
 
There is a crazy disconnect happening here. There are two conversations that are getting comingled to the extent that it's detracting from both of them. Both have merit and deserve discussion. Which was my main point earlier (when I was told I made a bad interpretation of things). Apparently I did not because it's playing out right here in this very thread.

1. Rape. Why does it happen? A number of reasons but it's never the fault of the victim. I don't see really any disagreement here.

2. Personal safety. Avoiding situations that are likely to become dangerous. In the vast majority of cases this will not save you from being raped. But it's common sense and a discussion worth having. Nobody can protect you if you don't protect yourself first. I don't see really any disagreement here either.

But somehow, when these things are discussed as one topic it goes off the rails. It looks like a bunch of things are getting lost in the translation of thoughts to type written word. The intent is getting covered up in the avalanche of people going for their guns. I think some people are deliberately itching for a fight on this topic, which while not surprising, is still ridiculous.
 
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Women who wear provocative clothing are inviting unwanted attention - some of it can be dangerous.

"Provocative" is open to interpretation. Even today, go to certain remote communities and it's your red lipstick. It's a stupid, unfair argument that we shouldn't subscribe to. Unless a woman has "please ****me" accross her chest, I don't see that she can be held in any way responsible for a rape/sexual assault.

I invite unwanted attention in certain areas of the US and certain Eastern European countries when I walk down the street as a white woman with my black boyfriend. Some of it can be dangerous. Is my reaction to hide and give in to racism? Hell no.
 
There is a crazy disconnect happening here. Both have merit and deserve discussion. There are two conversations that are getting comingled to the extent that it's detracting from both of them. Which was my main point earlier (when I was told I made a bad interpretation of things). Apparently I did not because it's playing out right here in this very thread.

1. Rape. Why does it happen? A number of reasons but it's never the fault of the victim. I don't see really any disagreement here.

2. Personal safety. Avoiding situations that are likely to become dangerous. In the vast majority of cases this will not save you from being raped. But it's common sense and a discussion worth having. Nobody can protect you if you don't protect yourself first. I don't see really any disagreement here either.

But somehow, when these things are discussed as one topic it goes off the rails. It looks like a bunch of things are getting lost in the translation of thoughts to type written word. The intent is getting covered up in the avalanche of people going for their guns. I think some people are deliberately itching for a fight on this topic, which while not surprising, is still ridiculous.

Annnnd welcome to DP!
 
This Thread would be a good question at a GOP Senate primary debate, especially in Georgia and North Carolina .
In the republicon party rape can be viewed a legitimate or illegitamate.
I am still trying to figure this one out...:lamo
 
The OP seems to be suggesting that rapists are planning to rape and then choose a victim. The majority of rapes are committed by people known to the victim. They have personal relationships, sometimes romantic, sometimes familial, sometimes professional. They are the result not of a momentary stimulus, but of a preexisting situation.

The image of a stranger in a dark alley just doesn't square with reality.

Spot on. The instances of "stranger" rape are far fewer than rape by a person known to the victim.
 
There is a crazy disconnect happening here. There are two conversations that are getting comingled to the extent that it's detracting from both of them. Both have merit and deserve discussion. Which was my main point earlier (when I was told I made a bad interpretation of things). Apparently I did not because it's playing out right here in this very thread.

1. Rape. Why does it happen? A number of reasons but it's never the fault of the victim. I don't see really any disagreement here.

2. Personal safety. Avoiding situations that are likely to become dangerous. In the vast majority of cases this will not save you from being raped. But it's common sense and a discussion worth having. Nobody can protect you if you don't protect yourself first. I don't see really any disagreement here either.

But somehow, when these things are discussed as one topic it goes off the rails. It looks like a bunch of things are getting lost in the translation of thoughts to type written word. The intent is getting covered up in the avalanche of people going for their guns. I think some people are deliberately itching for a fight on this topic, which while not surprising, is still ridiculous.

I agree with everything you said! People seem to forget that sometimes it happens not b/c you're NOT avoiding situations. Sometimes it's unexpected, and the girl didn't make poor choices or put herself somewhere she shouldn't have been. Sometimes it happens unexpectedly!
 
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