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:shock: I'm speechless, and that doesn't happen often! :lol:
Oh, I've heard that one before. :lol:
:shock: I'm speechless, and that doesn't happen often! :lol:
It's not about clothing. If she was dressing provocatively, it means that she was asking for it. No rape.
Go back to the mugging scenario I mentioned earlier. Can any mugging victim be said to have "provoked" their attacker?
Does this change the fact that avoiding certain behaviors and certain attention grabbing styles of dress in areas where the risk of mugging is high tends to be a good idea?
And...there it is.Christ almighty!! If what you said was true, only women dressed scantily would be getting raped, and ONLY attractive ones. THAT is certainly far from being the case. Ugly women, fat women, dirty women, homeless women, drug-addled women have also been victims of rape. It has really nothing to do with her appearance whatsoever in MOST cases. Most of the time it is a crime of opportunity.
Because you are shifting responsibility to the victim. It implies a passive acceptance or "boys will be boys" attitude that enables such behavior on the part of men.
if she says no you don't get a pass.
Because you are shifting responsibility to the victim. It implies a passive acceptance or "boys will be boys" attitude that enables such behavior on the part of men.
There's a difference between blaming the victim and acknowledging the real fact that actions and choices have potential consequences.
There's a difference between blaming the victim and acknowledging the real fact that actions and choices have potential consequences.
I fail to see how suggesting that women take the precautions necessary to look for themselves in strange company let's men "off the hook" at all here.
If you were to see a strange animal wandering aimlessly around your neighborhood, would you not take care to make yourself less vulnerable to a potential attack?
Sure, if it does try anything, it will almost certainly be put down. However, that's going to be small consolation for anyone unlucky enough to be mauled by the creature in the meantime.
As far as women are concerned, strange men should always be viewed as exactly such animals until proven otherwise. Sure, we can be friendly, but we can also be dangerous, and often times unpredictable as well. This problem only gets worse in a sexually charged environment where perception altering substances are in wide availability.
Only a string bikini. A tankini is just to allow men a quick glance. Not asking for it then.
Since posters are getting upset that the yoga thread keeps getting derailed I will ask this here. Do you think most (true cases- not made up, let's not turn this into he said she said discussion) people who get raped are wearing revealing clothing?
I understand that point but we have to be cognizant of the impact the way we conduct this conversation has on the outcomes. The issue of keeping yourself safe in general can be conducted but not with a distinction as to how to keep yourself safe from rape. It is impossible to avoid the implication that the women is somehow to blame if you do that.
No, that's simply an imaginary implication that you're insisting exists, but doesn't really. The only one to blame for rape is the rapist. If there is a rapist and they are out there to rape someone, isn't it the best option for yourself to make yourself the least likely target of that rape? If someone is going to get a bullet in the head, it makes sense, from a personal standpoint, to do whatever you can to avoid that head being yours.
The only problem I have with this is that when it's applied to this conversation it begins to be interpreted as meaning that there are some cases where the victim was complicit in their own rape.
You completely missed my point.
That was a bad interpretation. Rape is rape. Nobody would advocate making a rape victim an accessory to the crime of her own rape. That's ludicrous. It's a huge stretch to misinterpret the discussion that far off base.
Haven't read the whole thread, just first and last page... but let me take a WILD ASS GUESS...
Someone, probably male, dared to imply that there were things a woman might avoid doing that might reduce her chances of being raped.
This person was then dogpiled and told they were excusing rape, apologizing for the rapist, attempting to disempower women, etc etc.
Good guess?
Haven't read the whole thread, just first and last page... but let me take a WILD ASS GUESS...
Someone, probably male, dared to imply that there were things a woman might avoid doing that might reduce her chances of being raped.
This person was then dogpiled and told they were excusing rape, apologizing for the rapist, attempting to disempower women, etc etc.
Good guess?
Since posters are getting upset that the yoga thread keeps getting derailed I will ask this here. Do you think most (true cases- not made up, let's not turn this into he said she said discussion) people who get raped are wearing revealing clothing?
That's a terrible argument. If a guy is raping somebody, he isn't interested in following the rules. Is it easier to rape a girl wearing a skirt or wearing blue jeans? This is the logic of a criminal.
The criminal doesn't base his decisions based upon what is allowed or what is not allowed. He doesn't care about getting "a pass". He already gave himself a pass. He doesn't need a pass from you or me.
It's not about clothing. If she was dressing provocatively, it means that she was asking for it. No rape.