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Rape and Clothing

Rape and clothing correlation

  • I suspect women are wearing revealing clothes in most rape cases

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I suspect that a man/woman will rape regardless of the victims clothing

    Votes: 24 26.4%
  • I think some women are inviting dangerous attention when wearing revealing attire

    Votes: 5 5.5%
  • I don't think clothes have anything to do with rape

    Votes: 52 57.1%
  • Other

    Votes: 10 11.0%

  • Total voters
    91
I know I've also heard of rapists who target victims based on OTHER factors, such as hair color, size, etc. I've heard that Ted Bundy had a preference for petite brunettes.

I'd say a chicks odds of running into a would be rapist is much higher at a college party than in a scary looking unlit parking lot or whatever.
 
I don't think that is most rapists' MO. IT is a crime of opportunity in the vast majority of cases.

It is some rapists' MO, and it certainly play a role in many cases of date rape.

That's all that matters.

This pisses me OFF to no end!

:shrug: Getting our convoys blown up by insurgent IEDs pisses us military men off.

Do you think that prevents us from taking the necessary precautions to keep ourselves safe?

An once of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
 
I'd say a chicks odds of running into a would be rapist is much higher at a college party than in a scary looking unlit parking lot or whatever.

I would agree, and I would also say that what she is wearing has little to do with it and what REALLY plays a role is . . . how drunk is she?
 
Another ChrisL/Gathomas
 
Why do people assume that everyone plays by the same rules? There are some nuts out there. Being aware of yourself and your surroundings is prudent.

If you think that's a violation of your freedom, then you essentially shirk all legitimate responsibility.
 
It is some rapists' MO, and it certainly play a role in many cases of date rape.

That's all that matters.



:shrug: Getting our convoys blown up by insurgent IEDs pisses us military men off.

Do you think that prevents us from taking the necessary precautions to keep ourselves safe?

An once of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

That cure is to be smart when you're out, don't drink too much, don't go off alone with people you do not know, and always stay with your group. It really has NOTHING to do with clothing Gathomas, and I think you know this. Women CAN wear revealing clothing and NOT be raped because rape is more a crime of opportunity than based on sexual attraction or what a person is wearing.
 
Since posters are getting upset that the yoga thread keeps getting derailed I will ask this here. Do you think most (true cases- not made up, let's not turn this into he said she said discussion) people who get raped are wearing revealing clothing?

I'm not sure, I don't know if those statistics have been compiled.
 
I would agree, and I would also say that what she is wearing has little to do with it and what REALLY plays a role is . . . how drunk is she?

Eh...let's break it down...IMO, it would be...

90% how drunk she is (oportunity)
5% physical appearance (the ugly chick could be in a skirt passed out with no panties and might be fine)
5% attire (which plays into appearance, really)
 
Sometimes rape is about power.
 
It's not about clothing. If she was dressing provocatively, it means that she was asking for it. No rape.

Wow, just wow. So any woman in her bikini at the beach wants to be raped?

My brain is aching reading into the stupidity of your comments.
 
She's been kind of grouchy lately. Not sure why. :lol:

Pardon me, but I'm not trying to be "grouchy." It angers me when people try to lay responsibility for a crime onto the victim. Besides, I've had similar discussions with you before, and I already know how you feel about women's clothing choices. You would be happy if we all wore burqas! :roll: That is extremely annoying to most women to say the least.
 
I haven't read the thread, but usually when this topic comes up people argue that the woman is responsible for her own actions. The problem seems to come in most of the time when people misconstrue that argument for more than it is.

Many times drunk young men are dangerous and women should do their best to avoid situations where they are left alone with them. Women should also avoid wearing certain kinds of clothing around certain audiences and in certain situations, and that means, it is their responsibility in understanding what those audiences are and where those situations happen to be. Women should be aware that they are first line of defense and it is their responsibility, much as it is all our responsibility, to keep ourselves safe from those that might cause us harm. It is always best to avoid situations where you have to defend yourself with your bear hands or with any sort of weapon if at all possible. Being brave is one thing, but being stupid is another entire animal and people shouldn't confuse the two. Wearing something around drunk young men that they can easily see a ton of skin is probably not the best idea out there.

What I just said isn't saying the rapists isn't at fault for his actions, but it is saying that understanding the situation and avoiding that situation involves understanding why it happens and taking precautionary measures to avoid it. The fact is men get turned on by certain types of clothing choices, and when they're impaired by drugs or some other means bad things can happen and one of those things is rape. Clothing choices matter in all kinds of situations in life and this is just another one. There is no reason to be upset about it.

I imagine I will regret posting in this thread. :D
 
Wow, just wow. So any woman in her bikini at the beach wants to be raped?

My brain is aching reading into the stupidity of your comments.

Only a string bikini. A tankini is just to allow men a quick glance. Not asking for it then.
 
That cure is to be smart when you're out, don't drink too much, don't go off alone with people you do not know, and always stay with your group. It really has NOTHING to do with clothing Gathomas, and I think you know this. Women CAN wear revealing clothing and NOT be raped because rape is more a crime of opportunity than based on sexual attraction or what a person is wearing.

I'm not saying that those aren't all great ideas too.

However, you cannot deny that clothing can and sometimes does play a role as well. Like it or not, a lot of men are always going to take revealing clothing on a woman as being an indicator that she is open to sexual advances.

Some of those men will inevitably be either rapists, or generally disrespectful people who have the potential to be rapists. This intrinsically increases the level of risk scantily clad women in such environments are placed under.

If a woman takes precautions (traveling in a group, not drinking to excess, not going out of her way to lead men on sexually) much of that risk can be effectively managed and kept to an acceptable minimum level. If she does not, however; and rather chooses to behave stupidly in addition to drawing attention to herself, she might very well find herself getting into trouble.

That's simply how the world works. :shrug:
 
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Pardon me, but I'm not trying to be "grouchy." It angers me when people try to lay responsibility for a crime onto the victim. Besides, I've had similar discussions with you before, and I already know how you feel about women's clothing choices. You would be happy if we all wore burqas! :roll: That is extremely annoying to most women to say the least.

I don't believe I ever said anything of the kind, Chris. :lol:
 
Well, yea. It's horrible.

However, it's also not going to change. It is what it is. :shrug:

If women want to be safe if that environment, they need to take precautions.

Listen, in what situation does any adult hand over any level of responsibility for their actions to the person they victimized? In a situation where they were provoked. Say for instance, I walk up and punch you in the nose. You punch me back. While you are responsible for the punch you threw you are let off the hook a little because you were provoked. Some would say the guy had it coming. Are you saying if a woman dresses sexy, she's got it coming?
 
I haven't read the thread, but usually when this topic comes up people argue that the woman is responsible for her own actions. The problem seems to come in most of the time when people misconstrue that argument for more than it is.

Many times drunk young men are dangerous and women should do their best to avoid situations where they are left alone with them. Women should also avoid wearing certain kinds of clothing around certain audiences and in certain situations, and that means, it is their responsibility in understanding what those audiences are and where those situations happen to be. Women should be aware that they are first line of defense and it is their responsibility, much as it is all our responsibility, to keep ourselves safe from those that might cause us harm. It is always best to avoid situations where you have to defend yourself with your bear hands or with any sort of weapon if at all possible. Being brave is one thing, but being stupid is another entire animal and people shouldn't confuse the two. Wearing something around drunk young men that they can easily see a ton of skin is probably not the best idea out there.

What I just said isn't saying the rapists isn't at fault for his actions, but it is saying that understanding the situation and avoiding that situation involves understanding why it happens and taking precautionary measures to avoid it. The fact is men get turned on by certain types of clothing choices, and when they're impaired by drugs or some other means bad things can happen and one of those things is rape. Clothing choices matter in all kinds of situations in life and this is just another one. There is no reason to be upset about it.

I imagine I will regret posting in this thread. :D

Oh well then, maybe we should shave our heads, get fat, not wear makeup and make ourselves look as ugly as humanly possible because you never know WHAT some dude might find "attractive."

Only THAT wouldn't work because fat and unattractive women get raped too. If we all really want to be honest, the MAIN reason why women get raped is because they have a vagina, they are physically weaker and smaller than men, and some men take advantage of that fact to just "take" what they want. PERIOD.
 
You guys should get a room. This exactly how TED and I started out. Arguing with each other constantly on a political forum. :lol:

:shock: I'm speechless, and that doesn't happen often! :lol:
 
I don't agree with any of the things as written. However, I do think that, all other things being equal, a woman who dresses provocatively has a higher chance of being raped or assaulted. I'm not blaming the woman for the rape but let's be honest, there are things that can be done that can lessen the chance. Take being mugged. Two men in a bad part of town, one who looks like they haven't got any money and the other who walks down the streets with hundred dollar bills hanging out of their pockets, who is most likely to get mugged, all other considerations being equal? People need to realize that just because they have the freedom to do a thing doesn't mean it's necessarily the best thing to do.
 
Listen, in what situation does any adult hand over any level of responsibility for their actions to the person they victimized? In a situation where they were provoked. Say for instance, I walk up and punch you in the nose. You punch me back. While you are responsible for the punch you threw you are let off the hook a little because you were provoked. Some would say the guy had it coming. Are you saying if a woman dresses sexy, she's got it coming?

Go back to the mugging scenario I mentioned earlier. Can any mugging victim be said to have "provoked" their attacker?

Does this change the fact that avoiding certain behaviors and certain attention grabbing styles of dress in areas where the risk of mugging is high tends to be a good idea?

Oh well then, maybe we should shave our heads, get fat, not wear makeup and make ourselves look as ugly as humanly possible because you never know WHAT some dude might find "attractive."

Only THAT wouldn't work because fat and unattractive women get raped too. If we all really want to be honest, the MAIN reason why women get raped is because they have a vagina, they are physically weaker and smaller than men, and some men take advantage of that fact to just "take" what they want. PERIOD.

Yes. Which is why we are suggesting that you guys look out for yourselves.

We're only saying it because we care! :D
 
Well, I have to go do some work on the computer, but I'll be back later to argue with you all some more! :2wave: Later!
 
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