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Rape and Clothing

Rape and clothing correlation

  • I suspect women are wearing revealing clothes in most rape cases

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • I suspect that a man/woman will rape regardless of the victims clothing

    Votes: 24 26.4%

  • I think some women are inviting dangerous attention when wearing revealing attire

    Votes: 5 5.5%

  • I don't think clothes have anything to do with rape

    Votes: 52 57.1%

  • Other

    Votes: 10 11.0%
  • Total voters
    91
Gipper said:
You don't need a ski mask at 11pm when you're forcefully trying to get into a Cadillac.
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The Mayor: "Callahan, I don't want any more trouble like you had last year in the Fillmore district. You understand? That is my policy.

Dirty Harry: Yeah, when an adult male is chasing a female with intent to commit rape, I shoot the bastard, that is my policy.

The Mayor: Intent? How'd you establish that?

Dirty Harry: When a naked man is chasing a woman through a dark alley with a butcher knife and a hard on, I figure he isn't out collecting for the Red Cross.
 
Gathomas88 said:
True, though, I would also argue that even in a violent rape where opportunity was the major factor, overly attention grabbing attire might sometimes play a role. After all, if there is, in fact, a dangerous man lurking around somewhere, the last thing a woman wants to do is deliberately draw his attention towards her.

Walking through a bad neighborhood at night all alone might very well be a bad idea in and of itself. However, doing so in a bikini certainly wouldn't do anything to help matters either.



Call it what you want.

The fact of the matter is that a woman's clothing and behavior can be a contributing factor to sexual misunderstandings that sometimes escalate into rape.
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Ummm... no. It's not a misunderstanding if a women does not consent if he still rapes her it's not because of what she wore or how she acted. It's all on him, he has the problem and it usually has to do with issues of power and control.
 
herenow1 said:
Since posters are getting upset that the yoga thread keeps getting derailed I will ask this here. Do you think most (true cases- not made up, let's not turn this into he said she said discussion) people who get raped are wearing revealing clothing?
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I think it's pretty well documented that most rapes are crimes of control/power rather than merely sex - therefore, the actual "sexiness" of the woman's attire is pretty much irrelevant - it's the opportunity that attracts the most.

Secondly, if I'm not mistaken, a lot of rapes are committed by men the woman knows - again, control/power and circumstance/opportunity as a result of that familiarity between the victim/rapist.

Finally, one can't deny that the sexualization of women at an ever younger age leaves many young men to consider women/girls as simply objects of sex to be used. That's a trend that would benefit society if it was reversed.
 
Monserrat said:
Ummm... no. It's not a misunderstanding if a women does not consent if he still rapes her it's not because of what she wore or how she acted. It's all on him, he has the problem and it usually has to do with issues of power and control.
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legally you are correct

but if the man said she consented and she says she did not, the trier of fact must uses collective common sense to determine who was telling the truth. And if a woman said she had no intention of taking a guy home for sex yet there he is and witnesses testify she was dressed as if she was trying to pick up men, that will weigh heavily in the jury's determination
 
herenow1 said:
Since posters are getting upset that the yoga thread keeps getting derailed I will ask this here. Do you think most (true cases- not made up, let's not turn this into he said she said discussion) people who get raped are wearing revealing clothing?
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I don't know. What does the research say?
 
Monserrat said:
Ummm... no. It's not a misunderstanding if a women does not consent if he still rapes her it's not because of what she wore or how she acted. It's all on him, he has the problem and it usually has to do with issues of power and control.
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Again, believe that if you want.

In practical reality, on the other hand, things are almost never that simple. If a woman's wearing her best pair of booty shorts, spends the whole evening grinding said booty shorts up against some guy's crotch, lets him get her drunk while doing so, follows him to a secluded area afterwards, and then finds herself in an altercation at the end of the night when she says "no" and he tries to press the matter anyway, it cannot be denied that her poor choices ultimately did play a role in allowing the situation to escalate to that point.

Does that make the man's actions any less wrong? Nope. He should be fried like the rapist scum he is.

However, this doesn't alter the reality that it is very much in a woman's best interests to avoid the kinds of behaviors and situations which might result in her being victimized in the first place.
 
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Gipper said:
It's not about clothing. If she was dressing provocatively, it means that she was asking for it. No rape.
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"Dressing provocatively" is open to interpretation, and is quite frankly, a cop-out. If she says no, she's not asking for it, and it is a rape, regardless of your feelings about how she's dressed.
 
herenow1 said:
Since posters are getting upset that the yoga thread keeps getting derailed I will ask this here. Do you think most (true cases- not made up, let's not turn this into he said she said discussion) people who get raped are wearing revealing clothing?
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No.

What's revealing clothing, anyway? Clothing meant to be appealing is the appropriate phrasing. Most people have no clue what another person was wearing when things happened. It's usually circumstantial and doesn't matter as MOST rapes aren't 'I was in my most whorish outfit in an alley alone in the middle of the night and some strange man attacked me' - no - most rapes happen in familiar surroundings and usually the perp is someone the victim knows in some sense.
 
herenow1 said:
Since posters are getting upset that the yoga thread keeps getting derailed I will ask this here. Do you think most (true cases- not made up, let's not turn this into he said she said discussion) people who get raped are wearing revealing clothing?
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None of the above.

I suspect it plays a role sometimes when the victim is a victim of opportunity. Under certain conditions, yes, clothing, or lack there of, will draw unwanted attention and yes, sometimes that attention spills over into adverse actions. A woman who dresses a certain way can be perceived as being a "slut", whether she is or not, and some guys don't expect or take "no" from sluts.

But since a lot of rapes are committed where the victim knows the rapist, in those cases clothing has absolutely nothing to do with it. It happens because of the perpetrators obsession with the victim.

In yet other cases, clothing and perceived attitude coupled with flirtation can push someone with low self control over the edge. This is the teaching the "****-tease" a lesson type rapes.

In the "don't take no from a slut", "teach the ****-tease a lesson" rapes and some others, alcohol/drugs are quite often involved and some substances are known to reduce self control.
 
TurtleDude said:
legally you are correct

but if the man said she consented and she says she did not, the trier of fact must uses collective common sense to determine who was telling the truth. And if a woman said she had no intention of taking a guy home for sex yet there he is and witnesses testify she was dressed as if she was trying to pick up men, that will weigh heavily in the jury's determination
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Are they allowed to consider what she was wearing as a factor? I thought that kind of evidence was not allowed in a rape trial because it makes it as if the VICTIM is on trial instead of the accused.

Personally, I don't think it has anything to do with what she is wearing. I've only ever heard of ONE case where clothing played a role, and that was a guy who was going around raping women who wore skirts (not just mini skirts - ANY skirts). That was in another country I think but not sure.
 
Gathomas88 said:
Again, believe that if you want.

In practical reality, on the other hand, things are almost never that simple. If a woman's wearing her best pair of booty shorts, spends the whole evening grinding said booty shorts up against some guy's crotch, lets him get her drunk while doing so, follows him to a secluded area afterwards, and then finds herself in an altercation at the end of the night when she says "no" and he tries to press the matter anyway, it cannot be denied that her poor choices ultimately did play a role in allowing the situation to escalate to that point.

Does that make the man's actions any less wrong? Nope. He should be fried like the rapist scum he is.

However, this doesn't alter the reality that it is very much in a woman's best interests to avoid the kinds of behaviors and situations which might result in her being victimized in the first place.
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What you described is a crime of opportunity. It didn't have to do with her clothing. If she was wearing jeans and T-shirt in your scenario, would the rape not have happened? :roll:
 
ChrisL said:
What you described is a crime of opportunity. It didn't have to do with her clothing. If she was wearing jeans and T-shirt in your scenario, would the rape not have happened? :roll:
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How is that a "crime of opportunity?" wtf.gif

It would seem to be more a case of a man not taking "no" for an answer from a woman that he perceived to simply be leading him on. While it might not have been the sole factor involved, her style of dress did contribute to that.
 
Gathomas88 said:
How is that a "crime of opportunity?" View attachment 67162272

It would seem to be more a case of a man not taking "no" for an answer from a woman that he perceived to simply be leading him on. Her style of dress did contribute to that.
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She was with him for the entire night, dancing with him, allowing him to buy her drinks and then followed him to a secluded location. THAT is a crime of opportunity, and if she was wearing a T-shirt with jeans, it still would happen.
 
herenow1 said:
Since posters are getting upset that the yoga thread keeps getting derailed I will ask this here. Do you think most (true cases- not made up, let's not turn this into he said she said discussion) people who get raped are wearing revealing clothing?
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There can't be a 100% correct opinion here. Like others here I generally think clothes are not singularly the cause of rape.. but clothes might sometimes be an additional factor. Since I am not of that mental/emotional ilk my thoughts are no more than a SWAG ( Scientific Wild Ass Guess ). This is one time I don't have an anecdotal story.

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Gathomas88 said:
How is that a "crime of opportunity?" View attachment 67162272

It would seem to be more a case of a man not taking "no" for an answer from a woman that he perceived to simply be leading him on. Her style of dress did contribute to that.
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Christ almighty!! If what you said was true, only women dressed scantily would be getting raped, and ONLY attractive ones. THAT is certainly far from being the case. Ugly women, fat women, dirty women, homeless women, drug-addled women have also been victims of rape. It has really nothing to do with her appearance whatsoever in MOST cases. Most of the time it is a crime of opportunity.
 
ChrisL said:
She was with him for the entire night, dancing with him, allowing him to buy her drinks and then followed him to a secluded location. THAT is a crime of opportunity, and if she was wearing a T-shirt with jeans, it still would happen.
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Clothing plays a role in determining how other people will perceive a woman and her intentions. It also plays a role in determining what kind of men she's going to attract in the first place.

A woman perceived to be "slutty" is going to attract a certain type of guy, who very likely doesn't have particularly respectful views towards women in the first place.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
No.

What's revealing clothing, anyway? Clothing meant to be appealing is the appropriate phrasing. Most people have no clue what another person was wearing when things happened. It's usually circumstantial and doesn't matter as MOST rapes aren't 'I was in my most whorish outfit in an alley alone in the middle of the night and some strange man attacked me' - no - most rapes happen in familiar surroundings and usually the perp is someone the victim knows in some sense.
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Exactly. And even stranger rapes are usually crimes of opportunity, where the victim is unlucky enough to find herself alone with the rapist. He doesn't care what she's wearing.
 
Gathomas88 said:
Clothing plays a role in determining how other people will perceive a woman and her intentions. It also plays a role in determining what kind of men she's going to attract in the first place.

A woman perceived to be "slutty" is going to attract a certain type of guy, who very likely doesn't have particularly respectful views towards women in the first place.
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That is obviously not true. It might play a role in getting male attention at the bar, but it doesn't have anything to do with being raped. If you were referring to "date rape" only, then you might have a point.

Strangers rape women who they can get ALONE. They don't care what she's wearing. They don't choose victims out by their clothing most often.
 
Redress said:
I believe opportunity is usually the primary way a target is chosen.
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Where observation of sensible opportunity-reduction strategies just crosses over into blaming the victim is a line I can't identify.
 
ChrisL said:
Christ almighty!! If what you said was true, only women dressed scantily would be getting raped, and ONLY attractive ones. THAT is certainly far from being the case. Ugly women, fat women, dirty women, homeless women, drug-addled women have also been victims of rape. It has really nothing to do with her appearance whatsoever in MOST cases. Most of the time it is a crime of opportunity.
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I explicitly said that I didn't think that clothing was a factor in most rapes in my very first post in this thread. I was simply saying that it cannot be discounted entirely.

There are some circumstances where it can either draw attention to a woman from the wrong kinds of men, or give men the wrong idea. Both scenarios could conceivably result in rape under the wrong circumstances.

Gathomas88 said:
I'd venture so far as to say "no," though I'm sure it plays a role in at least some rapes, and probably a lot of date rape cases as well.
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Gathomas88 said:
I explicitly said that I didn't think that clothing was a factor in most rapes in my very first post in this thread. I was simply saying that it cannot be discounted entirely.

There are some circumstances where it can either draw attention to a woman from the wrong kinds of men, or give men the wrong idea. Both scenarios could conceivably result in rape under the wrong circumstances.
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It can be discounted. Most rapes are not committed on the basis of what clothing a woman is wearing. A lot of times a rape will occur during the commission of another crime (such as robbery/home invasions). We also have serial rapers, and they are definitely looking for easy opportunities. The only kind of rape I could see where clothing would play any factor whatsoever is date rape.

Like Aunt Spiker said, most rapes are committed by a person who knows the victim somewhat too.
 
ChrisL said:
That is obviously not true. It might play a role in getting male attention at the bar, but it doesn't have anything to do with being raped. If you were referring to "date rape" only, then you might have a point.
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And if she happens to draw attention from the wrong kinds of men (which 'slutty attire' can have a definite tendency to do), she only makes the likelihood of catching the attention of a potential rapist that much greater.

Strangers rape women who they can get ALONE. They don't care what she's wearing. They don't choose victims out by their clothing most often.
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Again, this isn't always true. Some men might rape because they feel slighted by a woman, or that she's not really serious in her lack of consent to sex.

Suggestive clothing can play a role in that.
 
ChrisL said:
It can be discounted. Most rapes are not committed on the basis of what clothing a woman is wearing. A lot of times a rape will occur during the commission of another crime (such as robbery/home invasions). We also have serial rapers, and they are definitely looking for easy opportunities. The only kind of rape I could see where clothing would play any factor whatsoever is date rape.

Like Aunt Spiker said, most rapes are committed by a person who knows the victim somewhat too.
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Unless it never happens (which most certainly is not the case), it absolutely cannot be discounted.

For that matter, since when is date rape not rape?
 
Gathomas88 said:
And if she happens to draw attention from the wrong kinds of men (which 'slutty attire' can have a definite tendency to do), she only makes the likelihood of catching the attention of a potential rapist that much greater.
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IF a rapist is profiling a victim, he would be looking for a woman who he could easily manipulate and control, someone who he thinks won't put up a huge fight, but he wouldn't be profiling women by their clothing.

Again, this isn't always true. Some men might rape because they feel slighted by a woman, or that she's not really serious in her lack of consent to sex.

Suggestive clothing can play a role in that.
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I've only ever heard of ONE instance of rapes where clothing played a factor, and it was more because it was easy access as opposed to "looking slutty" as you are so fond of saying.

Why are you so derogatory towards women anyway? Calling them "slutty" and other such names. Those women are PEOPLE you know!
 
herenow1 said:
Since posters are getting upset that the yoga thread keeps getting derailed I will ask this here. Do you think most (true cases- not made up, let's not turn this into he said she said discussion) people who get raped are wearing revealing clothing?
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I haven't ever read that it was the cloathes. Personally I tend to believe it is more. But there is, I seem to remember, a certain statistical probability for women who have been raped to be raped again.
 
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