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  • I suspect women are wearing revealing clothes in most rape cases

    1 0.98%
  • I suspect that a man/woman will rape regardless of the victims clothing

    28 27.45%
  • I think some women are inviting dangerous attention when wearing revealing attire

    6 5.88%
  • I don't think clothes have anything to do with rape

    56 54.90%
  • Other

    11 10.78%
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Which is very terrible, but without some hard data comparing actual rates here, we can't really make a judgment.

    Again, according to some sources, as many as 25% of women in the United States are raped before they graduate college. I'm not sure if I believe that figure, but if true, it would be a pretty massive chunk of the overall female population.

    I have a pretty hard time believing that a society which tends to keep its women out of public could have a rate anywhere near that high.
    Well, apparently you have your eyes closed tight and have chosen to ignore my links. How disappointing that you want to oppress women, because that's what it is.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    It's a simple question, J. Why can't you answer it?



    What do you propose?
    NAILED IT AGAIN! lmao
    its not a simply question at all when i have no idea what you are talkign about lol

    you asked what I propose to solve the problem

    im asking you what the factual problem is. For some reason you keep running from this and factually dodging it

    all you have to do is tell me what problem you are talking about, this is very easy.


    I bet you dodge again PLEASE prove me right again
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    They shouldn't have to alter their behaviors. The women didn't do anything wrong or anything to invite rape, regardless of how you interpret their manner of dress.
    But a lot of women do indulge in behaviors which put themselves at risk.

    The nonsensical idea that "women shouldn't have to do anything because men should behave" isn't helping anyone.

    All this type of behavior does is contribute to the oppression of women.
    That's sloganeering. Nothing more. It doesn't mean anything.

    How does it "oppress" anyone to suggest that they watch their backs around people with a proven track record of predatory behavior?

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
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    It was your statement, J. Qualify it.

    How do you propose minimizing the risk of rape if women are to change nothing about their behavior which might serve to protect themselves?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    and no women should not have to alter thier behavior because of people with mental problems.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Which is very terrible, but without some hard data comparing actual rates here, we can't really make a judgment.

    Again, according to some sources, as many as 25% of women in the United States are raped before they graduate college. I'm not sure if I believe that figure, but if true, it would be a pretty massive chunk of the overall female population.

    I have a pretty hard time believing that a society which tends to keep its women out of public could have a rate anywhere near that high.
    Educate yourself about rape please. It is NOT about the clothes.

    A 1997 report by the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics, which defines rape as forced penetration by the offender,[161] found that 91% of rape victims are female and 9% are male, and that nearly 99% of rapists are male.[162] Data on the prevalence of rape vary greatly depending on what definition of rape is used. According to the National Violence Against Women Survey, 1 in 6 U.S. women and 1 in 33 U.S. men has experienced an attempted or completed rape in their lifetime.[163] More than a quarter of college-age women report having experienced a rape or rape attempt since age 14.[164] However, some have criticized these statistics for using definitions of rape that they consider to be overly broad, specifically for counting sex under the influence of alcohol as rape.[165][166] According to the psychologist Steven Pinker,
    Junk statistics from advocacy groups are slung around and become common knowledge, such as the incredible factoid that one in four university students has been raped. (The claim was based on a commodious definition of rape that the alleged victims themselves never accepted; it included, for example, any incident in which a woman consented to sex after having had too much to drink and regretted it afterward.)[167]
    The National Crime Victimization Survey, which uses a narrower definition of rape, found that only 0.5% of women and 0.06% of men, age 12 or older, were raped in 1995. By 2010, these numbers had decreased to 0.2% of women and 0.01% of men.[168]

    Some types of rape are excluded from official reports altogether (the FBI's definition, for example, used to exclude all rapes except forcible rapes of females), because a significant number of rapes go unreported even when they are included as reportable rapes, and also because a significant number of rapes reported to the police do not advance to prosecution.[169] As well as the large number of rapes that go unreported, only 25% of reported rapes result in arrest. Many rape kits are not tested.[170] Only 16% of rapes and sexual assaults are reported to the police (Rape in America: A Report to the Nation. 1992 and United Nations Populations Fund, 2000a).[171][172] Factoring in unreported rapes, about 5% of rapists will ever spend a day in jail.[173]

    Contrary to widespread belief, rape outdoors is rare. Over two thirds of all rapes occur in someone's home. 31% occur in the perpetrators' homes, 27% in the victims' homes and 10% in homes shared by the victim and perpetrator. 7% occur at parties, 7% in vehicles, 4% outdoors and 2% in bars.[174] From 2000 to 2005, 59% of rapes were not reported to law enforcement.[175][176] One factor relating to this is the misconception that most rapes are committed by strangers.[175][177] In reality, studies indicate the following varying numbers:

    Source: Current or former intimate partner Another relative Friend or acquaintance Stranger
    US Bureau of Justice statistics 26% 7% 38% 26%
    Australian government statistics[178] 56% 10% 27% 8%
    UK Home Office (for comparison)[179] 45.4% 13.9% 29.6% 11%

    In a 2012 news story, The New York Times reported, " ... according to a survey by the Alaska Federation of Natives, the rate of sexual violence in rural villages like Emmonak is as much as 12 times the national rate. And interviews with Native American women here and across the nationís tribal reservations suggest an even grimmer reality: They say few, if any, female relatives or close friends have escaped sexual violence."[180]

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    But a lot of women do indulge in behaviors which put themselves at risk.

    The nonsensical idea that "women shouldn't have to do anything because men should behave" isn't helping anyone.



    That's sloganeering. Nothing more. It doesn't mean anything.

    How does it "oppress" anyone to suggest that they watch their backs around people with a proven track record of predatory behavior?
    Obviously you're first statement is NOT true. Rape has always happened, even back in ancient times when there was no such thing as yoga pants and other such clothing.

    It oppresses women because it takes away their freedoms. People like you would like to make women FEAR to have complete freedom because of fear that something THEY do could invoke a rape upon them.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well, apparently you have your eyes closed tight and have chosen to ignore my links.
    A) Those weren't "links."

    B) You're not putting up any actual numbers.

    I absolutely agree with you. What you described in each of those excerpts was terrible. However, you have presented nothing factual comparing actual rape rates.

    As I just pointed out, our own rate might very well be freakishly high. There's really nothing to suggest that more traditional societies are any worse.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    1.)It was your statement, J. Qualify it.
    2.)How do you propose minimizing the risk of rape if women are to change nothing about their behavior which might serve to protect themselves?
    and you prove me right agaian

    1.) my statement to Chris L does not need qualified lol
    2.) ALL people should be aware of thier surroundings and actions

    other than that youll have to tell me what behavior you are talking about?

    when me and chris L were talking we were talking about the behavior of dress, is this the issue you are talking about? a simple yes or no will do

    also you haven't told me what the problem is yet, why do you keep dodging it, please dont answer and prove your posts to fail again
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    A) Those weren't "links."

    B) You're not putting up any actual numbers.

    I absolutely agree with you. What you described in each of those excerpts was terrible. However, you have presented nothing factual comparing actual rape rates.

    As I just pointed out, our own rate might very well be freakishly high. There's really nothing to suggest that more traditional societies are any worse.
    DERP! We in the United States collect and REPORT our statistics reliably. Other countries (especially those in the ME) do NOT do this. Really, do you realize how SILLY you are being about this? My GOD, pull your head out of your own butt!!!

    Not only that but to deny that rape would be much MORE underreported in Middle Eastern countries is just . . . STUPID!

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Educate yourself about rape please. It is NOT about the clothes.
    Going by what this proposes, a lot of date rape cases wouldn't even count as rape.

    Are you aware of that?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Obviously you're first statement is NOT true. Rape has always happened, even back in ancient times when there was no such thing as yoga pants and other such clothing.
    And? Murder has always happened too.

    That doesn't mean that there aren't certain places and behaviors a person should avoid if they don't want to be murdered themselves.

    It oppresses women because it takes away their freedoms. People like you would like to make women FEAR to have complete freedom because of fear that something THEY do could invoke a rape upon them.
    There is no such thing as "complete freedom," and there never will be. furthermore, a certain amount of fear is also not only desirable, but healthy.

    There are bad people out there. You should be afraid of them, and what they can do.

    Again, I'm not applying any standard to women here that I would not also apply to myself. I wouldn't loiter around a bad neighborhood at night wearing expensive clothing, and I wouldn't party at a gay club wearing assless chaps and letting gay men buy me drinks left and right.

    They simply wouldn't be good ideas. I'm not any less "free" because I recognize that fact.

    I'm simply alive and unviolated.

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