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  • I suspect women are wearing revealing clothes in most rape cases

    1 0.98%
  • I suspect that a man/woman will rape regardless of the victims clothing

    28 27.45%
  • I think some women are inviting dangerous attention when wearing revealing attire

    6 5.88%
  • I don't think clothes have anything to do with rape

    56 54.90%
  • Other

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    The usual suspects in YOGA 2.0 .
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    If the sign says "beware of dog," is your first inclination going to be to jump the fence?
    If there was a "beware of rapist" sign this probably wouldn't be an issue.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I'm not referring to the role of the rapist -- it's assumed that he's in the wrong. Are you saying that at absolutely no point are we allowed to even observe that the victim may not have exercised adequate caution?
    I think that sometimes women do stupid things that might put themselves at greater risk, yes; but so has everyone at one point or another in their lives, and that in no way excuses the rape. There is NO excuse. It is a crime and violation of another person. I don't care what the person did. I can't think of ONE situation in which I would actually "blame" the woman for a man's decision to rape her.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    If the sign says "beware of dog," is your first inclination going to be to jump the fence?
    depends on the dog
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Take your own chances, Chris.

    I'm just saying that certain activities and styles of dress are pretty much always going to increase the level of risk at which a woman puts herself.

    If she is willing to accept that risk, so be it. If not, however; I would suggest that she be more careful.
    Activities and stupid decisions, yes. Manner of dress? No, not if you're smart.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    legally you are correct

    but if the man said she consented and she says she did not, the trier of fact must uses collective common sense to determine who was telling the truth. And if a woman said she had no intention of taking a guy home for sex yet there he is and witnesses testify she was dressed as if she was trying to pick up men, that will weigh heavily in the jury's determination
    If witnesses are allowed to testify over what the woman was wearing then the woman has a really ****ty lawyer and/or lives in a really ****ty state.

    What a woman is wearing doesn't make a man rape her, the man being a scumbag and/or evil and/or having severe psychological issues concerning a need for power and control is what makes him rape her. A good man would never do that regardless of what she was wearing.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    I would say that getting inebriated and passing out at a party full of men is putting oneself at risk, but it still doesn't equal "responsibility" for the crime committed against that person IMO. It means she was stupid and made a really bad decision, but I still wouldn't hold her responsible for the actions of another person against her.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    My mother gave me really great advise when I was a kid. She said, everyone has a choice when it comes to what they say and do. It is one of the few things we have it completely within our ability to control. Therefore, because it is always a choice the author of those words or that action is completely responsible. Even having a conversation where women accept blame for that act would allow the shift in responsibility to be made towards her and that is not acceptable.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Because you don't give up your freedom for security!
    With regard to the risk of being raped? No.

    I'm a man, and a somewhat larger than average one at that. I sort of "lucked out" on that one.

    However, that doesn't mean that there aren't scenarios in which I wouldn't want to draw attention to myself, or that there aren't certain situations I know that it'd be a good idea to try and avoid.

    When I'm traveling in a foreign country by myself, for instance, do you think I wear my Army uniform?

    I think BEHAVIOR plays much more of a role in date rape or other rapes than what a woman is wearing at the time. A woman can be wearing next to nothing, but if she doesn't allow herself to be put into a spot where she is vulnerable, then she more than likely would not even get raped. Another woman could be wearing a darn snowsuit, but if she goes off ALONE with some stranger, THEN she is putting herself at risk I would agree. It's NOT the clothing though unless you put yourself at risk to begin with.
    Yes, which is why I said it could be a "contributing factor" for rape under some circumstances. I didn't say that it was the only, or primary factor.

    You tell them how to be smart while they are out.
    Part of that involves not wearing revealing clothing that is only going to attract unwanted attention in dangerous environments.

    I don't think that is a valid defense because people have smartened up thankfully.
    I didn't say that it was. I said that it was a defense rapists themselves liked to use.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Who cares?

    People are raped because sick people rape them...the common denominator is a lack of mental health on the part of the attacker, not a lack of conservative clothing on the part of the victim.
    / thread.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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