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  • I suspect women are wearing revealing clothes in most rape cases

    1 0.98%
  • I suspect that a man/woman will rape regardless of the victims clothing

    28 27.45%
  • I think some women are inviting dangerous attention when wearing revealing attire

    6 5.88%
  • I don't think clothes have anything to do with rape

    56 54.90%
  • Other

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    You're dodging the question J.

    What do you propose be done?

    So far, it looks like exactly nothing.
    wow how many posts do you make that contain lies, i factually dodged nothing.

    need proof?

    here lets look at my post (you know the one you edited because it shows your post is wrong lol)

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    also tell me what the factual "problem" is
    cant answer your question without know what you think the factual problem is, your mistake

    once again facts win and prove your post wrong

    now would you like to post something honest and tell me what the factual problem is you are talking about so i can answer if possible?
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Sounds like a boys will be boys mentality. This only provides deviants an excuse to abuse innocent women.
    "Deviants" are going to abuse women regardless of what anyone happens to think of it. That's why they are deviants.


    You keep not responding to data that confirms clothing has nothing do with the selection of the victim.
    There is no hard data one way or the other. All we know is that no conclusive link can be proven in most cases of rape.

    Why risk it?

    well that's a damn shame because it is not the only defense.
    You've already shot down not behaving like a drunken sexually charged buffoon in an environment full of drunk and judgment impaired men.

    What, exactly, would you have women do to defend themselves here?

    I'll just continue to have a little more faith in your gender then that.
    "Faith" in my gender is precisely what leads so many young women to get in trouble in the first place.

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    You are not hearing me. You may read it as an invitation but that is just your twisted perception. Convicted rapists, when interviewed about why they rape or how they chose their victims, consistently state that dress is not a factor. That innocent behavior is misinterpreted as an invitation.
    And are most of those interviewed date rapists?

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Even her sexual behavior in the moment is irrelevant. If she is flirtatious that doesn't mean she has given permission. If she invites him back to her home and changes her mind, that is also irrelevant in terms of how a case is tried. It may be difficult to determine but it should boil down to only thing. Did she consent? Did she at any time say stop and he did not stop? If he forced himself on her nothing justified that.
    Sure. Nothing justifies it. That does not mean that the behavior in question was a good idea on the woman's part, however.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Rapes (per capita) (most recent) by country

    Middle Eastern nations actually do have fairly low rape rates.

    Why on Earth wouldn't they? Rapists simply don't have the same kind of opportunity to target women that they have in more "liberal" societies.
    Oh come on! Really Gathomas, don't you be intellectually dishonest with me. Rapes are very MUCH underreported in Middle Eastern countries. I'm sure you can figure out why. NOT uncommon though by any means.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics

    Rape in Afghanistan is a crime which can be legally prosecuted, but in practice it is very rarely reported, because of the immense risks that women face if they report it. Rape victims in the country face a double risk of being subjected to violence: on one hand they can become victims of honor killings perpetrated by their families, and on the other hand they can be victimized by the laws of the country: they can be charged with adultery, a crime that can be punishable by death. Furthermore, they can be forced by their families to marry their rapist. In 2011, Afghanistan made international news in regard to the story of a woman who was raped by a man, jailed for adultery, gave birth to a child in jail, and was then subsequently pardoned by president Hamid Karzai, and in the end married the man who raped her.[11][12] In 2012, Afghanistan recorded 240 cases of honor killings and 160 cases of rape, but the number for both honor killings and rapes is estimated to be much higher.[13][14] In 2013, in eastern Ghazni, a man attacked a woman and attempted to rape her, and as a result the relatives of the woman killed both the woman and the man in an honor killing.[15] In Afghanistan, crimes such as adultery, rape and trafficking are often conflated with each other,[16] and it is generally not acceptable for a woman and a man to be alone together (unless married or related), and if this happens the response can be very violent: an Afghan medical doctor and his female patient were attacked by an angry mob who threw stones at them after the two were discovered in his private examining room without a chaperon.[17][18] Recently, the security forces have been also alleged to rape children in the country.[19]

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    snip
    You're not actually saying anything, J!

    Look. I'll even ask the question again. What can you present to qualify the statement below? What do you propose actually be done?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    and no women should not have to alter thier behavior because of people with mental problems.
    I'm waiting...

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Bangladesh[edit]

    Bangladesh has received criticism for its employment of the "two-finger test" in rape investigations. This test consists in a physical examination of women who report rape during which a doctor inserts two fingers in the woman's vagina to determine whether the woman is "habituated to sex". This examination has its origin in the country's British colonial-era laws dating back to 1872. This deters many women from reporting rape. More than 100 experts, including doctors, lawyers, police, and women's rights activists had signed a joint statement in 2013 asking for the test, which they called "demeaning", to be abolished, as it "does not provide any evidence that is relevant to proving the offence." This test is also performed in several other countries in the region, including India. [23][24][25]
    The United Nations Multi-country Study on Men and Violence asked men in rural and urban Bangladesh if they had forced a woman to have sex at any point in their lives. 14.1% of men in rural Bangladesh and 9.5% of men in urban Bangladesh said yes (10% averaged). 2.7% of men in rural Bangladesh and 0.5% (6/1252) in urban Bangladesh had raped in the past year. In rural Bangladesh 47.4% of rapists perpetrated more than once, 3.7% had four or more victims, and 40% first raped as a teenager. 82% of rural Bangladeshi and 79% of urban Bangladeshi men cited entitlement as their reason for rape. 61.2% of urban Bangladeshi men who had raped did not feel guilty or worried afterwards, and 95.1% experienced no legal consequences. 3.7% of men in rural Bangladesh had raped another man. 89.2% of urban Bangladeshi men answered 'agree' or 'strongly agree' to the statement 'if a woman doesn't physically fight back, it's not rape.' [26]

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    Egypt[edit]

    Main article: Rape in Egypt
    Rape is illegal in Egypt; but marital rape is not a criminal offense. Unlike many other countries in the Middle East, Egypt has, in 1999, abolished the law which stipulated that a man could escape a rape conviction if he married his victim after the fact.[54]
    Women are generally fearful when it comes to reporting rape. Engy Ghozlan of Egyptian Centre for Women's Rights and others suggest that the number of rape cases is over 200,000 every year. Ghozlan further adds that rapes are not decreasing because young men lack adequate income and employment, so their marriages are delayed.[55]
    During the current Egyptian protests, rape has been carried out publicly, on 3 July 2013, it was reported that about 91 women were raped and sexually abused in Tahrir Square in 4 days.[56] By some estimates, the figure was about 169.[57]

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    India[edit]

    Main article: Rape in India
    Rape in India is one of India's most common crimes against women.[84] Marital rape that occurs when spouses are living together can only be dealt under the Protection of Women from Domestic Violence Act 2005 which only provides civil remedies to victims (it is a form of non-criminal domestic violence). Marital rape is not a criminal offense, except when spouses are separated. Rape cases in India have doubled between 1990 and 2008[85] Penile and non-penile penetration in bodily orifices of a woman by a man, without the consent of the woman, constitutes the offense of rape under the Criminal Law (Amendment) Act, 2013.[86]
    Sexual violence within marriage is common, with 20% of men admitting to forcing their wives or partners to have sex, in a survey by the Centre of Research on Women, US, and Instituto Promundon in Brazil.[87][88] According to the National Crime Records Bureau, 24,206 rape cases were registered in India in 2011.[89] A new case is reported every 20 minutes,[90][91] Although the latest estimate suggest a new case every 22 minutes.[92]
    Indonesia[edit]

    The United Nations Multi-country Study on Men and Violence studied three different sites of Indonesia (Jakarta, rural Java, and Jayapura). In the rural area, the lifetime prevalence of perpetration of rape towards a female/females was 19.5% and gang rape 7%. When rapists were asked why they perpetrated their last non-partner rape, 76.5% of the men in the three areas averaged cited sexual entitlement, 55.2% entertainment-seeking, and 29.7% anger/punishment.[26]

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Oh come on! Really Gathomas, don't you be intellectually dishonest with me. Rapes are very MUCH underreported in Middle Eastern countries. I'm sure you can figure out why. NOT uncommon though by any means.
    I don't doubt that it's underreported, and I don't doubt that certain forms of rape (spousal rape, for instance) and violence against women (domestic abuse, honor killings, etca) are much more common in the Middle East than they are here.

    However, as far as "dark stranger in an alley way" or "date rape" is concerned, it would make sense for the numbers to be a lot lower.

    Women, by and large, simply aren't allowed to be alone with strange men in that part of the world.

    Where would a potential attacker even get the opportunity to pounce on his victim?

    I'm certainly not saying that we should adopt such a system. However, a bit of common sense would go a long way here.

    Any sexually charged environment is going to be a bit risky for a woman. It is especially so when alcohol and other perception altering substances become involved.

    Women need to be aware of this and plan accordingly. That's all I'm saying.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    You're not actually saying anything, J!

    Look. I'll even ask the question again. What can you present to qualify the statement below? What do you propose actually be done?



    I'm waiting...
    lol now you are just desperately trying to save the face of your posts that have been destroyed so bad

    nobody honest, educated and objective will fall for it

    good move backing off the lie that i dodged your question though lol

    lets look at my post again, ill bold and highlight the parts that factually prove you wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    wow how many posts do you make that contain lies, i factually dodged nothing.

    need proof?

    here lets look at my post (you know the one you edited because it shows your post is wrong lol)
    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    also tell me what the factual "problem" is

    cant answer your question without knowing what you think the factual problem is, your mistake

    once again facts win and prove your post wrong

    now would you like to post something honest and tell me what the factual problem is you are talking about so i can answer if possible?
    all you have to do is tell me what you think the factual problem is until you do there can be no conversation on your question or answer given to it.
    wow destroying your posts is so easy
    lets see if you dodge providing this info again
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