View Poll Results: Rape and clothing correlation

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  • I suspect women are wearing revealing clothes in most rape cases

    1 0.98%
  • I suspect that a man/woman will rape regardless of the victims clothing

    28 27.45%
  • I think some women are inviting dangerous attention when wearing revealing attire

    6 5.88%
  • I don't think clothes have anything to do with rape

    56 54.90%
  • Other

    11 10.78%
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Thread: Rape and Clothing

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    1.)Again...

    2.)Why don't you actually tell us what your solution to the problem would be, J?
    1.)AWESOME you keep doubling down on the fact your post was wrong

    here the proof again for entertainment

    would you like proof?
    sure its easy
    look at what i said ACTUALLY AND FACTUALLY said and its context to Chrisl

    now look at the complete BS you claimed i said

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    And how well does the "ignore bad people and hope they simply go away" strategy generally tend to work in reality, J?
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    1.) Because that's what you just flat out said. That women "shouldn't alter their behavior" to be more safe.
    once again none of this BS was ever said by me as proven . . . AGAIN

    now on to the next BS you posted
    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    All attitudes like your's accomplish is to put women too young and reckless to know any better at risk by giving them a false sense of security.
    by all means factually back this BS up, id love to read it, why do you keep dodging this request


    facts win again and your post is destroyed again
    now can you back up your two claims or will you dodge them again and prove your post wrong again

    2.) who is us, you are in the super vast minority?
    also tell me what the factual "problem" is
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I agree with you except for the section I made bold.

    This implies that the sexual behavior of the woman should have some role in determining whether or not she is telling the truth about being raped. Her promiscuity, if that is the case however, is irrelevant because promiscuous women can still be raped. Also, promiscuity in a man does not make him a less credible witness so it should not make a woman a less credible one.

    I can see if the women had a history of making false claims or mental illness or something else that made legitimately called her character into question but nothing about her sexual behavior should matter.
    I don't mean her "past" sexual behaviors, but her behavior on the day in question, with the person in question.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I don't think Gathomas is 100% wrong. I think he is trying to describe how the RAPIST might look at woman, and I don't think that HE is trying to put blame on the women, but just to say that the rapist MAY look at you in this way if you are dressed provocatively, and I think he may be right in very few instances, but I really think that you could take all the precautions in the world, and if you are targeted for rape it is not because of anything you did. (the "in general" you of course - lol).
    Exactly. While I would say that a woman can minimize her chances of being noticed in the first place under certain circumstances, she has no control over what a potential rapist may or may not target about her.

    What a woman can control, however; is her behavior, and the likelihood that a potential attacker will have any opportunity to move upon her in the first place.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    1.)I don't think Gathomas is 100% wrong. I think he is trying to describe how the RAPIST might look at woman, and I don't think that HE is trying to put blame on the women, but just to say that the rapist MAY look at you in this way if you are dressed provocatively, and I think he may be right in very few instances, but I really think that you could take all the precautions in the world, and if you are targeted for rape it is not because of anything you did. (the "in general" you of course - lol).
    which is meaningless who cares what a rapist thinks if a rapist wants to rape he rapes period

    and what do you mean the in general me, are you implying nobody wants to rape me that hurts my feelings lol
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
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    I can guarantee you, that if women stopped entering these kinds of environments, or, at the very least, stopped indulging in the behaviors I mentioned in my previous post, the rape rate on college campuses would plummet overnight. Unscrupulous men simply wouldn't have the opportunity to attack anyone.
    Sounds like a boys will be boys mentality. This only provides deviants an excuse to abuse innocent women.

    While I absolutely agree that offenders should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law where their guilt can actually be proven, that is not going to make the problem in question go away in and of itself. Like murder, rape is as old as humanity itself, and so are the kinds of men that commit it
    You keep not responding to data that confirms clothing has nothing do with the selection of the victim.

    The only defense against their type a woman really has is vigilance
    well that's a damn shame because it is not the only defense. I'll just continue to have a little more faith in your gender then that.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Why would you want to make that perceived "invitation" any more blatant then, or provide the man in question with the actual opportunity to possibly attack you through reckless behavior?
    You are not hearing me. You may read it as an invitation but that is just your twisted perception. Convicted rapists, when interviewed about why they rape or how they chose their victims, consistently state that dress is not a factor. That innocent behavior is misinterpreted as an invitation.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Gathomas, if this were the case then rape would be RARE in the Middle East countries where women DO dress conservatively and do have to have a male chaperon with them, but rape is NOT rare in those countries. That is because it really doesn't have anything to do with how a woman dresses, or even presents herself in a lot of cases but that the rapist is mentally deficient.
    Rapes (per capita) (most recent) by country

    Middle Eastern nations actually do have fairly low rape rates.

    Why on Earth wouldn't they? Rapists simply don't have the same kind of opportunity to target women that they have in more "liberal" societies.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    1.)Sounds like a boys will be boys mentality.
    agreed thats what it sounds like to me too, partially excusing sicko behavior and partially blaming the victium
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I don't mean her "past" sexual behaviors, but her behavior on the day in question, with the person in question.
    Even her sexual behavior in the moment is irrelevant. If she is flirtatious that doesn't mean she has given permission. If she invites him back to her home and changes her mind, that is also irrelevant in terms of how a case is tried. It may be difficult to determine but it should boil down to only thing. Did she consent? Did she at any time say stop and he did not stop? If he forced himself on her nothing justified that.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
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    You're dodging the question J.

    What do you propose be done?

    So far, it looks like exactly nothing.

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    and no women should not have to alter thier behavior because of people with mental problems.

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