View Poll Results: Rape and clothing correlation

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  • I suspect women are wearing revealing clothes in most rape cases

    1 0.98%
  • I suspect that a man/woman will rape regardless of the victims clothing

    28 27.45%
  • I think some women are inviting dangerous attention when wearing revealing attire

    6 5.88%
  • I don't think clothes have anything to do with rape

    56 54.90%
  • Other

    11 10.78%
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Look I won't call you a misogynist if you stop calling me an idiot. Deal?

    It is not a fact. It is your opinion. You cling to it because organically it makes sense in your brain. Factually however, it doesn't.

    Date rape is rampant because men are let off the hook by being provided excuses like this, campuses don't take the claims seriously, the victim is blamed and shamed. Not because the woman dresses sexy or is flirtatious.
    It most definitely plays a role in why women (especially YOUNG women and teens) are very hesitant to come forward and press charges, because they know that their reputations will be dragged through the mud, they will be embarrassed, shamed and humiliated, and there is a LOT of stigma that follows them around. Like in your tragic story, the girl committed suicide because her life was miserable, and I've read other stories where women have no choice but to have to move out of their towns/cities. This is why I don't think anything about the victim should be allowed as evidence in a trial, and especially not her clothing, unless she was nude. However, there is the catch-22 in all of this in that there ARE false allegations sometimes and our suspects ARE innocent until PROVEN guilty, so we do have to take "behavior" into consideration during a trial. Women also NEED to go have a rape kit done at the hospital if they've been raped, because that is also quite embarrassing and humiliating and after being raped I can't blame them for not wanting to, but that is really important for evidence in the trial.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Easily.



    I hope you realize that I'm not going to stop doing this.
    good, i dont want you to stop
    because every time you post that it proves your post was BS and it completely fails

    you still dodge the second request also which totally exposes your failed posts

    and what you keep trying to post about desperately trying to cling to fails also is proven fals with fact

    would you like proof?
    sure its easy
    look at what i said ACTUALLY AND FACTUALLY said and its context to Chrisl

    now look at the complete BS you claimed i said

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    And how well does the "ignore bad people and hope they simply go away" strategy generally tend to work in reality, J?
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    1.) Because that's what you just flat out said. That women "shouldn't alter their behavior" to be more safe.
    once again none of this BS was ever said by me as proven . . . AGAIN

    now on to the next BS you posted
    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    All attitudes like your's accomplish is to put women too young and reckless to know any better at risk by giving them a false sense of security.
    by all means factually back this BS up, id love to read it, why do you keep dodging this request


    facts win again and your post is destroyed again
    now can you back up your two claims or will you dodge them again and prove your post wrong again
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Unfortunately people do still think this way as Gathomas has so painfully demonstrated for us here. It is backwards and rooted in the notion that women who like sex are bad girls and less likely to deny a sexual advance then one who does not advertise her sexuality. And besides, rape is not about out of control sexual desire it is an act of violence.

    The problem with changing your dress so that you are not victimized is that any innocent gesture is often construed by the rapist as an invitation. A smile or a friendly comment, even a glance in their direction.
    yes, I could imagine that a someone with the mindset of a rapist could even believe in his mind that a woman "wanted him" even if she completely ignored him once he's set his mind on a victim.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Look I won't call you a misogynist if you stop calling me an idiot. Deal?

    It is not a fact. It is your opinion. You cling to it because organically it makes sense in your brain. Factually however, it doesn't.

    Date rape is rampant because men are let off the hook by being provided excuses like this, campuses don't take the claims seriously, the victim is blamed and shamed. Not because the woman dresses sexy or is flirtatious.
    I can guarantee you, that if women stopped entering these kinds of environments, or, at the very least, stopped indulging in the behaviors I mentioned in my previous post, the rape rate on college campuses would plummet overnight. Unscrupulous men simply wouldn't have the opportunity to attack anyone.

    While I absolutely agree that offenders should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law where their guilt can actually be proven, that is not going to make the problem in question go away in and of itself. Like murder, rape is as old as humanity itself, and so are the kinds of men that commit it.

    The only defense against their type a woman really has is vigilance.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    by all means factually back this BS up, id love to read it, why do you keep dodging this request
    Again...

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    and no women should not have to alter thier behavior because of people with mental problems.
    Why don't you actually tell us what your solution to the problem would be, J?

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    good, i dont want you to stop
    because every time you post that it proves your post was BS and it completely fails

    you still dodge the second request also which totally exposes your failed posts

    and what you keep trying to post about desperately trying to cling to fails also is proven fals with fact

    would you like proof?
    sure its easy
    look at what i said ACTUALLY AND FACTUALLY said and its context to Chrisl

    now look at the complete BS you claimed i said



    once again none of this BS was ever said by me as proven . . . AGAIN

    now on to the next BS you posted


    by all means factually back this BS up, id love to read it, why do you keep dodging this request


    facts win again and your post is destroyed again
    now can you back up your two claims or will you dodge them again and prove your post wrong again
    I don't think Gathomas is 100% wrong. I think he is trying to describe how the RAPIST might look at woman, and I don't think that HE is trying to put blame on the women, but just to say that the rapist MAY look at you in this way if you are dressed provocatively, and I think he may be right in very few instances, but I really think that you could take all the precautions in the world, and if you are targeted for rape it is not because of anything you did. (the "in general" you of course - lol).

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    It most definitely plays a role in why women (especially YOUNG women and teens) are very hesitant to come forward and press charges, because they know that their reputations will be dragged through the mud, they will be embarrassed, shamed and humiliated, and there is a LOT of stigma that follows them around. Like in your tragic story, the girl committed suicide because her life was miserable, and I've read other stories where women have no choice but to have to move out of their towns/cities. This is why I don't think anything about the victim should be allowed as evidence in a trial, and especially not her clothing, unless she was nude. However, there is the catch-22 in all of this in that there ARE false allegations sometimes and our suspects ARE innocent until PROVEN guilty, so we do have to take "behavior" into consideration during a trial. Women also NEED to go have a rape kit done at the hospital if they've been raped, because that is also quite embarrassing and humiliating and after being raped I can't blame them for not wanting to, but that is really important for evidence in the trial.
    I agree with you except for the section I made bold.

    This implies that the sexual behavior of the woman should have some role in determining whether or not she is telling the truth about being raped. Her promiscuity, if that is the case however, is irrelevant because promiscuous women can still be raped. Also, promiscuity in a man does not make him a less credible witness so it should not make a woman a less credible one.

    I can see if the women had a history of making false claims or mental illness or something else that made legitimately called her character into question but nothing about her sexual behavior should matter.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    The problem with changing your dress so that you are not victimized is that any innocent gesture is often construed by the rapist as an invitation. A smile or a friendly comment, even a glance in their direction.
    Why would you want to make that perceived "invitation" any more blatant then, or provide the man in question with the actual opportunity to possibly attack you through reckless behavior?

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    yes, I could imagine that a someone with the mindset of a rapist could even believe in his mind that a woman "wanted him" even if she completely ignored him once he's set his mind on a victim.
    I read several interviews with convicted rapists and they repeatedly misread "cues" from their victims, considering a smile or eye contact as a signal to them that they "wanted it."
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    I can guarantee you, that if women stopped entering these kinds of environments, or, at the very least, stopped indulging in the behaviors I mentioned in my previous post, the rape rate on college campuses would plummet overnight. Unscrupulous men simply wouldn't have the opportunity to attack anyone.

    While I absolutely agree that offenders should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law where their guilt can actually be proven, that is not going to make the problem in question go away in and of itself. Like murder, rape is as old as humanity itself, and so are the kinds of men that commit it.

    The only defense against their type a woman really has is vigilance.
    Gathomas, if this were the case then rape would be RARE in the Middle East countries where women DO dress conservatively and do have to have a male chaperon with them, but rape is NOT rare in those countries. That is because it really doesn't have anything to do with how a woman dresses, or even presents herself in a lot of cases but that the rapist is mentally deficient.

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