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  • I suspect women are wearing revealing clothes in most rape cases

    1 0.98%
  • I suspect that a man/woman will rape regardless of the victims clothing

    28 27.45%
  • I think some women are inviting dangerous attention when wearing revealing attire

    6 5.88%
  • I don't think clothes have anything to do with rape

    56 54.90%
  • Other

    11 10.78%
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    1.) Because that's what you just flat out said. That women "shouldn't alter their behavior" to be more safe.

    2.) You haz no FAAAACTTTZZZ LOL LOL

    3.) Cheezburger?

    4.) See #3 lol
    You don't seem to understand that you are buying into and promoting a myth about rape. Your continued belief that this has some role has two negative outcomes.
    1-it promotes the idea that the woman had some level of responsibility in her own rape
    2-the belief in this myth allows it's use as a defense for a rapist to continue

    Myth: Rape victims provoke the attach by wearing provocative clothing

    - A Federal Commission on Crime of Violence Study found that only
    4.4% of all reported rapes involved provocative behavior on the part
    of the victim. In murder cases 22% involved such behavior (as simple
    as a glance).


    - Most convicted rapists do not remember what their victims were wearing.

    Utah State University
    http://www.usu.edu/saavi/pdf/myths_facts.pdf.

    You are clinging to a myth. Dress does not play a role except in the continued abuse of the victim:

    Lindsay Armstrong was raped in Ayrshire in September 2001. At the trial of her attacker, Lindsay was asked to hold up the pants she wore at the time of the attack. Although this was supposedly to allow the defence to argue that the pants had not been damaged, Lindsay was asked to tell the court what was written on them: the words “Little Devil”.

    Putting Lindsay though this public humiliation served no purpose other than to allow the defence to try to smear her reputation – it allowed them to suggest that her pants and the motto they bore were enough to demonstrate that Lindsay was the “sort of girl” unlikely to refuse consent to sex and therefore unlikely to have been raped. Although the person who raped her was convicted, Lindsay Armstrong killed herself three weeks later.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    You don't seem to understand that you are buying into and promoting a myth about rape.

    Myth: Rape victims provoke the attach by wearing provocative clothing

    - A Federal Commission on Crime of Violence Study found that only
    4.4% of all reported rapes involved provocative behavior on the part
    of the victim. In murder cases 22% involved such behavior (as simple
    as a glance).


    - Most convicted rapists do not remember what their victims were wearing.

    Utah State University
    http://www.usu.edu/saavi/pdf/myths_facts.pdf.

    You are clinging to a myth. Dress does not play a role except in the continued abuse of the victim:

    Lindsay Armstrong was raped in Ayrshire in September 2001. At the trial of her attacker, Lindsay was asked to hold up the pants she wore at the time of the attack. Although this was supposedly to allow the defence to argue that the pants had not been damaged, Lindsay was asked to tell the court what was written on them: the words “Little Devil”.

    Putting Lindsay though this public humiliation served no purpose other than to allow the defence to try to smear her reputation – it allowed them to suggest that her pants and the motto they bore were enough to demonstrate that Lindsay was the “sort of girl” unlikely to refuse consent to sex and therefore unlikely to have been raped. Although the person who raped her was convicted, Lindsay Armstrong killed herself three weeks later.
    How awful! You really have to be a special sort of scum to be a defense attorney IMO.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    How awful! You really have to be a special sort of scum to be a defense attorney IMO.
    Right?! But it happens all the time. Their obligation is to protect their client and they will use whatever is at their disposal to accomplish that. As long as people still buy into this ignorant myth it will be utilized by a defense attorney to get their client off the hook.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    You don't seem to understand that you are buying into and promoting a myth about rape.

    Myth: Rape victims provoke the attach by wearing provocative clothing

    - A Federal Commission on Crime of Violence Study found that only
    4.4% of all reported rapes involved provocative behavior on the part
    of the victim. In murder cases 22% involved such behavior (as simple
    as a glance).


    - Most convicted rapists do not remember what their victims were wearing.

    Utah State University
    http://www.usu.edu/saavi/pdf/myths_facts.pdf.

    You are clinging to a myth. Dress does not play a role except in the continued abuse of the victim:

    Lindsay Armstrong was raped in Ayrshire in September 2001. At the trial of her attacker, Lindsay was asked to hold up the pants she wore at the time of the attack. Although this was supposedly to allow the defence to argue that the pants had not been damaged, Lindsay was asked to tell the court what was written on them: the words “Little Devil”.

    Putting Lindsay though this public humiliation served no purpose other than to allow the defence to try to smear her reputation – it allowed them to suggest that her pants and the motto they bore were enough to demonstrate that Lindsay was the “sort of girl” unlikely to refuse consent to sex and therefore unlikely to have been raped. Although the person who raped her was convicted, Lindsay Armstrong killed herself three weeks later.
    Going back to the very beginning of this discussion, we are discussing a particular kind of rape here, where the behavior of the victim certainly can play a role.

    Trying to deny this fact is simply idiotic, and is only going to result in young women getting themselves in trouble.

    Going to a frat party (or any establishment where large numbers of horny men and perception altering substances are present) in explicitly provocative clothing, drinking to excess, and behaving towards the men there in a sexually flirtatious manner if you're not actually planning to have sex with anyone (and sometimes, even if you are) is explicitly dangerous behavior. If it wasn't, date rape wouldn't be such a rampant problem on college campuses.

    There is no way around this.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Umm... Right here?



    I can keep going with this, J. It's up to you.
    yes PLEASE keep going because each time it proves you made up two BS statments its AWESOME!

    its really up to you, you can post something that shows integrity and admit you made a mistake and neither of those statments is true or continue to have your posts exposed by facts

    now here goes your tasks
    A.)let us know when you can show us how my attitude factually accomplishes the other BS you made up
    B.)let us when you can quote me saying that BS you made up
    lets see what you do
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Right?! But it happens all the time. Their obligation is to protect their client and they will use whatever is at their disposal to accomplish that. As long as people still buy into this ignorant myth it will be utilized by a defense attorney to get their client off the hook.
    I'm surprised that people still think this way! It's so backwards IMO! The only one responsible for a rapist's behavior is the rapist himself. To suggest that an outfit or a body could work a man into such a sexual tizzy that he cannot control himself is just bogus to me. I think that a rapist picks a target, and that the clothing does really not factor into that decision, but (like I've said a million times now, I know - LOL) that it's more opportune and vulnerable targets.

    I do think that Gathomas may have a point in very rare instances, but I don't think that dressing "conservatively" is really lowering your risks of being raped. It's pretty much a negligible factor as far as I'm concerned. f

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    B.)let us when you can quote me saying that BS you made up
    Easily.

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    and no women should not have to alter thier behavior because of people with mental problems.
    I hope you realize that I'm not going to stop doing this.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    1.)I'm surprised that people still think this way! It's so backwards IMO! The only one responsible for a rapist's behavior is the rapist himself.
    2.) To suggest that an outfit or a body could work a man into such a sexual tizzy that he cannot control himself is just bogus to me. f
    1.)and the truth will set you free
    2.) not only is it bogus its asinine
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Going back to the very beginning of this discussion, we are discussing a particular kind of rape here, where the behavior of the victim certainly can play a role.

    Trying to deny this fact is simply idiotic, and is only going to result in young women getting themselves in trouble.

    Going to a frat party (or any establishment where large numbers of horny men and perception altering substances are present) in explicitly provocative clothing, drinking to excess, and behaving towards the men there in a sexually flirtatious manner if you're not actually planning to have sex with anyone (and sometimes, even if you are) is explicitly dangerous behavior. If it wasn't, date rape wouldn't be such a rampant problem on college campuses.

    There is no way around this.
    Look I won't call you a misogynist if you stop calling me an idiot. Deal?

    It is not a fact. It is your opinion. You cling to it because organically it makes sense in your brain. Factually however, it doesn't.

    Date rape is rampant because men are let off the hook by being provided excuses like this, campuses don't take the claims seriously, the victim is blamed and shamed. Not because the woman dresses sexy or is flirtatious.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I'm surprised that people still think this way! It's so backwards IMO! The only one responsible for a rapist's behavior is the rapist himself. To suggest that an outfit or a body could work a man into such a sexual tizzy that he cannot control himself is just bogus to me. I think that a rapist picks a target, and that the clothing does really not factor into that decision, but (like I've said a million times now, I know - LOL) that it's more opportune and vulnerable targets.

    I do think that Gathomas may have a point in very rare instances, but I don't think that dressing "conservatively" is really lowering your risks of being raped. It's pretty much a negligible factor as far as I'm concerned. f
    Unfortunately people do still think this way as Gathomas has so painfully demonstrated for us here. It is backwards and rooted in the notion that women who like sex are bad girls and less likely to deny a sexual advance then one who does not advertise her sexuality. And besides, rape is not about out of control sexual desire it is an act of violence.

    The problem with changing your dress so that you are not victimized is that any innocent gesture is often construed by the rapist as an invitation. A smile or a friendly comment, even a glance in their direction.
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