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  • I suspect women are wearing revealing clothes in most rape cases

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  • I suspect that a man/woman will rape regardless of the victims clothing

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  • I think some women are inviting dangerous attention when wearing revealing attire

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I look at it this way:

    Clothes may in part attract the attention of a rapist, but by no means are they the cause of rape. That's all on the rapist.
    100% correct but some think it does and thats mentally insane. They are projecting their short comings on others.

    hell hair color, perfume, height, weight, eye color may also attract the attention of a rapist lol

    this is why its meaningless to talk about those things
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    It depends on the personality that's why there's so many different styles of dress. But I agree that a modest look can be more appealing, causing you to focus more on the entire package.

    Sounds like you let one slip away? Done that too many times myself. In my experience, it's the ones you initially misjudge as bitchy, floozy, loud or some other unappealing trait that turn out to be, "more than meets the eye".
    I fought tooth and nail for that one, but could never figure out what was missing to make it official. That's life though.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I think it's really sad that more people don't do anything when a girl is being taken advantage like that. Those who sit and watch and don't do anything to try and stop it or AT LEAST call the police should be charged as accessories in some instances IMO.
    Like in that Stuebenville case. That attack happened at a coach's house. While he was home. I just don't see how he would not know that some girl was getting raped in his basement.

    Not to mention the other people who were there and took pictures.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    99 times out of 100, those guys are going to be going home alone.
    I think the main thing you're missing here is the fact that if a woman is going home with a guy, then it doesn't mean she is going to get raped. In most of the cases where the guy gets lucky enough to take the girl home, it is consensual sex that occurs (if there is sex), not rape.



    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Perhaps not. However, the groups most notorious for date rape tend to be frat boys and athletes.

    Neither clique is known for attracting particularly "meek" varieties of men, or men with especially respectful attitudes towards women.
    First, you are stereotyping. ANY type of guy can be a rapist, geeks, nerds, rednecks, jocks, snobs, frat boys, military guys, just plain weirdos, any of them. Getting to know them and actually having a little bit of smarts about what clues to look for when it comes to "potential rapist" is going to be the best way to avoid date rape. And not all date rape is done by "frat boys" or "athletes", not even close. It is things that guys do that help to clue women in to whether their date/boyfriend/even friend/companion might potentially rape them, not labels attached to those guys.

    Second, along with any type of guy can be a rapist, any type can also be respectful of women (except for the obvious exceptions like misogynists or plain jerks). Rapists are individuals, not members of particular groups. Most athletes and even frat boys are not likely to be rapist.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    We actually are men. We know how men think, and I'm willing to bet that we have more experience dealing with other men than you do.

    While not every man will go after "sluts," not every man is promiscuous either. Promiscuous men do tend to overwhelmingly go after women they perceive to be "slutty," precisely because they know that there is a much higher likelihood that they will put out.
    You know how you think, not how all men think.

    Here's the thing though, not all promiscuous men are the potential rapists. And if they get a woman to agree to sex, then it isn't rape in the first place. If she says "yes", then no rape occurred. You seem to be under this impression that women who dress "slutty" are automatically some sort of stupid teaser who is going to simply lead a man on til she gets him to agree to take her home (or somewhere else) and then turn him down for sex. Some are simply not going to put themselves in the position to be taken anywhere. Others may be stopped by others from doing something stupid (aka going off with some guy they just met). And still others (likely many others) will simply say yes to the sex.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    A dirty slob in a T-shirt and a clean cut man in a nice suit walk into a bar and / or night club one after the other.

    Which one would you rather flirt with? Which one would you rather have approach you?
    Actually, the guy in the nice suit would look just as out of place in the bars I go to as the "dirty slob". I wouldn't likely flirt with either because neither would be likely to know how to country dance, a necessary criteria for gaining my attention when I was single, if they're in a country bar in either attire.

    As I've been saying though, you have to also consider the woman's taste as well here. Some women wouldn't care at all. Personally, although appearance in general was important to me, there is a difference between choices between hitting on someone who is dressed cleanly in any clothing and one who looks like a slob. But that wouldn't have anything to do with their potential to rape. Either man described could potentially rape a woman. They may go about it by different means, but either has the potential to be a rapist (heck just look at our most infamous rapists, they cover pretty much the gamut in the looks department).

    A woman may be more willing to go home with the goodlooking guy, but then she also may be more willing to actually say yes to the goodlooking guy. The same the other way around, the woman who looks like a "slut" may be hit on more, but she also may be more likely to say "yes" to sex, while the more conservatively dressed woman may be hit on less, but may also be less likely to say yes to sex, even with a guy she agrees to go home with or go off alone with.

    It really isn't about the assumptions men may make about the women in bars (or in certain clothing) at all, it is about what the man's taste in women are, what the man is actually looking to do, what the woman is willing to agree to (if she is even willing to respond to attention from a man at all), and so many other things.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    They are unless you have smelly feet. When my son was small, I cut the feet off of the feety pajamas because they stunk so bad in those plastic feeties.
    Most aren't plastic anymore. They may be reinforced with extra material, but I don't think my sons have had any with plastic.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    I think we're talking past one another here, a lot of this is coming out of left field for me.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I think the main thing you're missing here is the fact that if a woman is going home with a guy, then it doesn't mean she is going to get raped. In most of the cases where the guy gets lucky enough to take the girl home, it is consensual sex that occurs (if there is sex), not rape.
    Well, yea. I never said that "hooking up" was equivalent to rape.

    I was simply saying that the environments and behaviors associated with "hooking up" can potentially put a woman at greater risk for rape if she's not careful. As such, it isn't a good idea for a woman to go around conducting herself in such a manner as might lead men to believe she is looking for sex when she really is not.

    Around the wrong kinds of guys, that kind of thing can be dangerous.

    First, you are stereotyping. ANY type of guy can be a rapist, geeks, nerds, rednecks, jocks, snobs, frat boys, military guys, just plain weirdos, any of them.
    Within the context of what we are discussing here (i.e. date rape associated with night clubs, bars, and parties where sexual misunderstandings rather than premeditated predatory intent might play a key role), we are going to be looking at a rather particular kind of guy in most cases.

    A) The kind who would be making an active point of trying to "pick up" women in the first place and actually have some amount of success with it.

    B) The kind who would be physically aggressive and unempathetic enough to possibly not take "no" for an answer once he's got his blood up.

    Again, in most cases, this does not imply "geeks" or the more "mild mannered" varieties of men. It implies someone more aggressive and impulsive. Given this fact, I don't think it's any coincidence whatsoever that such a disproportionately large number of reported date rapes tend to take place in connection with either fraternities or athletes.

    They simply tend to have the personalities and patterns of behavior which most clearly fit the bill.

    Here's the thing though, not all promiscuous men are the potential rapists.
    No, but I do think there is a certain kind of man who is more likely to commit date rape than others. They are very likely to be favorably inclined towards promiscuity.

    As such, they will probably target women they feel will "put out" (i.e. 'sluts') over more conservative types of women when making sexual advances.

    You seem to be under this impression that women who dress "slutty" are automatically some sort of stupid teaser who is going to simply lead a man on til she gets him to agree to take her home (or somewhere else) and then turn him down for sex.
    Again, no. Most women who make a deliberate point of showing off "the goods" probably are looking to have sex. However, there are some women who do legitimately like to "tease" men (or who might simply not realize the full implications of their behavior) out there as well. Those women are foolish.

    It's a bit like waving meat in front of a hungry dog. With the wrong dog... well... Let's just say that things can wind up ending badly for a person.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Actually, the guy in the nice suit would look just as out of place in the bars I go to as the "dirty slob". I wouldn't likely flirt with either because neither would be likely to know how to country dance, a necessary criteria for gaining my attention when I was single, if they're in a country bar in either attire.

    As I've been saying though, you have to also consider the woman's taste as well here. Some women wouldn't care at all. Personally, although appearance in general was important to me, there is a difference between choices between hitting on someone who is dressed cleanly in any clothing and one who looks like a slob. But that wouldn't have anything to do with their potential to rape. Either man described could potentially rape a woman. They may go about it by different means, but either has the potential to be a rapist (heck just look at our most infamous rapists, they cover pretty much the gamut in the looks department).

    A woman may be more willing to go home with the goodlooking guy, but then she also may be more willing to actually say yes to the goodlooking guy. The same the other way around, the woman who looks like a "slut" may be hit on more, but she also may be more likely to say "yes" to sex, while the more conservatively dressed woman may be hit on less, but may also be less likely to say yes to sex, even with a guy she agrees to go home with or go off alone with.

    It really isn't about the assumptions men may make about the women in bars (or in certain clothing) at all, it is about what the man's taste in women are, what the man is actually looking to do, what the woman is willing to agree to (if she is even willing to respond to attention from a man at all), and so many other things.
    I wasn't saying that it had anything to do with rape. I was using the example to highlight the fact that clothing does play a role in shaping society's perception of a person regardless of their gender or actual intentions.

    Most women (if they're being honest) are going to make certain assumptions about a man in a suit that they would not make about a man in a T-shirt when it comes to categorizing his value as a potential mate. Likewise, most men are going to make certain assumptions about a woman based upon the way she is dressed when it comes to selecting the women most likely to have sex out of a crowd.

    While personal tastes do factor into this, they really do not negate my overall point here.

    A sexually aggressive man is very likely going to be looking for a "slut" rather than a "nice girl" if he is trying to ensure that a sexual liaison will take place. When he finds a woman that outwardly fits that description, he is going to make the assumption that her style of dress and way of carrying herself do indicate a higher potential willingness to engage in sexual activity with him than other women.

    Some of those men might even go so far as to take that clothing as "implied consent," and not handle it very well if their assumptions turn out to be false, and the woman in question really is not willing or able to consent to going "all the way." This can occasionally result in a date rape taking place if just the wrong combination of other factors come into play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    Like in that Stuebenville case. That attack happened at a coach's house. While he was home. I just don't see how he would not know that some girl was getting raped in his basement.

    Not to mention the other people who were there and took pictures.
    Sick and disgusting people? Mob mentality? Who knows why anyone would stand around while someone was being raped or otherwise assaulted? It's really messed up though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    I bought my sweetheart some of those cozy hoodie-footie PJs.



    And the ones with booties too.



    I got 50% off for buying both.

    But I swear if they start getting stinky feets they are going straight in the trash.
    I like those! They look so comfy and warm!

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    I think we're talking past one another here, a lot of this is coming out of left field for me.



    Well, yea. I never said that "hooking up" was equivalent to rape.

    I was simply saying that the environments and behaviors associated with "hooking up" can potentially put a woman at greater risk for rape if she's not careful. As such, it isn't a good idea for a woman to go around conducting herself in such a manner as might lead men to believe she is looking for sex when she really is not.

    Around the wrong kinds of guys, that kind of thing can be dangerous.



    Within the context of what we are discussing here (i.e. date rape associated with night clubs, bars, and parties where sexual misunderstandings rather than premeditated predatory intent might play a key role), we are going to be looking at a rather particular kind of guy in most cases.

    A) The kind who would be making an active point of trying to "pick up" women in the first place and actually have some amount of success with it.

    B) The kind who would be physically aggressive and unempathetic enough to possibly not take "no" for an answer once he's got his blood up.

    Again, in most cases, this does not imply "geeks" or the more "mild mannered" varieties of men. It implies someone more aggressive and impulsive. Given this fact, I don't think it's any coincidence whatsoever that such a disproportionately large number of reported date rapes tend to take place in connection with either fraternities or athletes.

    They simply tend to have the personalities and patterns of behavior which most clearly fit the bill.



    No, but I do think there is a certain kind of man who is more likely to commit date rape than others. They are very likely to be favorably inclined towards promiscuity.

    As such, they will probably target women they feel will "put out" (i.e. 'sluts') over more conservative types of women when making sexual advances.



    Again, no. Most women who make a deliberate point of showing off "the goods" probably are looking to have sex. However, there are some women who do legitimately like to "tease" men (or who might simply not realize the full implications of their behavior) out there as well. Those women are foolish.

    It's a bit like waving meat in front of a hungry dog. With the wrong dog... well... Let's just say that things can wind up ending badly for a person.



    I wasn't saying that it had anything to do with rape. I was using the example to highlight the fact that clothing does play a role in shaping society's perception of a person regardless of their gender or actual intentions.

    Most women (if they're being honest) are going to make certain assumptions about a man in a suit that they would not make about a man in a T-shirt when it comes to categorizing his value as a potential mate. Likewise, most men are going to make certain assumptions about a woman based upon the way she is dressed when it comes to selecting the women most likely to have sex out of a crowd.

    While personal tastes do factor into this, they really do not negate my overall point here.

    A sexually aggressive man is very likely going to be looking for a "slut" rather than a "nice girl" if he is trying to ensure that a sexual liaison will take place. When he finds a woman that outwardly fits that description, he is going to make the assumption that her style of dress and way of carrying herself do indicate a higher potential willingness to engage in sexual activity with him than other women.

    Some of those men might even go so far as to take that clothing as "implied consent," and not handle it very well if their assumptions turn out to be false, and the woman in question really is not willing or able to consent to going "all the way." This can occasionally result in a date rape taking place if just the wrong combination of other factors come into play.
    Blah, blah, blah Gathomas! If you look the polling results, you will see that MOST people would disagree with you.

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