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  • I suspect women are wearing revealing clothes in most rape cases

    1 0.98%
  • I suspect that a man/woman will rape regardless of the victims clothing

    28 27.45%
  • I think some women are inviting dangerous attention when wearing revealing attire

    6 5.88%
  • I don't think clothes have anything to do with rape

    56 54.90%
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    All the more reason for women to take care not to be the victim a potential rapist eventually "goes off" on.
    All the more reason for WOMEN to have to live in fear of men and to NOT wear clothing that they choose? Because they have to be afraid that some douchebag might rape them because of their clothes?

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by herenow1 View Post
    Since posters are getting upset that the yoga thread keeps getting derailed I will ask this here. Do you think most (true cases- not made up, let's not turn this into he said she said discussion) people who get raped are wearing revealing clothing?
    Generally clothes don't make a lick of difference. A rapist isn't necessarily interested in appearance. It's more of a power thing.

    As an aside, when it comes to date rape the clothing probably has a lot more to do with things though more the targeting part than the actual rape part.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    I think I asked a fair question. Where does the caution to exercise sensible precaution cross over into victim blaming?

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I would say that it would happen anyways. If she's wearing revealing clothing, maybe he would be more "turned on" but if he was planning on raping this person, then he's going to do it regardless of what she's wearing.

    Do you actually think a rapist is going to say, "oh, well that woman's clothing is not as revealing as that other woman's clothing over there, so she's my victim." I REALLY don't think that's how they target victims. In fact, I'm thinking they might even tend to avoid a person who has the self confidence enough to wear certain clothing because they don't want a victim who has a lot of self-confidence and who would potentially give a good fight. I think a lot of times a rapist, if targeting a victim, would tend to go for a more demurely dressed mousy-type of woman.
    In many cases, yes. In a lot of other cases, no.

    Again, we already know damn well that clothing and behavior can play a role in some cases of date rape. Frankly, even in cases of pure opportunity, suggestive clothing hardly helps matters.

    If a man goes walking through a bad inner city neighborhood at night, sure, he might get mugged. However, do you really think that he wouldn't be any more likely to be mugged if he did so in a tux while visibly shuffling through a wallet stuffed with $100 bills?

    Why risk it?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Unless you can PROVE your claims, then they don't mean anything. Like I've said, I've NEVER heard of a rapist who targeted "women in slutty clothes."
    Where do you think the "she was asking for it" defense came from in the first place, Chris?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Yes we do. Every time you call a woman a "slut" because of how she is dressed, I am going to call you out.
    Did you not notice my usage of "quotation marks" around the word?

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I think I asked a fair question. Where does the caution to exercise sensible precaution cross over into victim blaming?
    I think it ALWAYS does because I don't think it really plays that much of a role at ALL in rape, unless it's date rape, and then it STILL is not the woman's fault in any way. There is just NO excuse. If a guy gets THAT worked up, then he needs to go jerk off or something.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I think I asked a fair question. Where does the caution to exercise sensible precaution cross over into victim blaming?
    For some people, at the beginning.

    Apparently if you get carjacked at night in a bad neighborhood, it's not your fault for driving through it in a Lexus.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    All the more reason for WOMEN to have to live in fear of men and to NOT wear clothing that they choose? Because they have to be afraid that some douchebag might rape them because of their clothes?
    Take your own chances, Chris.

    I'm just saying that certain activities and styles of dress are pretty much always going to increase the level of risk at which a woman puts herself.

    If she is willing to accept that risk, so be it. If not, however; I would suggest that she be more careful.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I think it ALWAYS does because I don't think it really plays that much of a role at ALL in rape, unless it's date rape, and then it STILL is not the woman's fault in any way. There is just NO excuse. If a guy gets THAT worked up, then he needs to go jerk off or something.
    I'm not referring to the role of the rapist -- it's assumed that he's in the wrong. Are you saying that at absolutely no point are we allowed to even observe that the victim may not have exercised adequate caution?

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    In many cases, yes. In a lot of other cases, no.

    Again, we already know damn well that clothing and behavior can play a role in some cases of date rape. Frankly, even in cases of pure opportunity, suggestive clothing hardly helps matters.

    If a man goes walking through a bad inner city neighborhood at night, sure, he might get mugged. However, do you really think that he wouldn't be any more likely to be mugged if he did so in a tux while visibly shuffling through a wallet stuffed with $100 bills?

    Why risk it?
    Because you don't give up your freedom for security! I think BEHAVIOR plays much more of a role in date rape or other rapes than what a woman is wearing at the time. A woman can be wearing next to nothing, but if she doesn't allow herself to be put into a spot where she is vulnerable, then she more than likely would not even get raped. Another woman could be wearing a darn snowsuit, but if she goes off ALONE with some stranger, THEN she is putting herself at risk I would agree. It's NOT the clothing though unless you put yourself at risk to begin with.

    Don't tell women they can't wear certain clothing! You tell them how to be smart while they are out.

    Where do you think the "she was asking for it" defense came from in the first place, Chris?
    I don't think that is a valid defense because people have smartened up thankfully.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    What am I gonna do with you
    If the sign says "beware of dog," is your first inclination going to be to jump the fence?

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