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  • I suspect women are wearing revealing clothes in most rape cases

    1 0.98%
  • I suspect that a man/woman will rape regardless of the victims clothing

    28 27.45%
  • I think some women are inviting dangerous attention when wearing revealing attire

    6 5.88%
  • I don't think clothes have anything to do with rape

    56 54.90%
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post

    About her outfit, I would agree that it is NOT an outfit I would ever wear, but I would not say that she is "slutty" because of it. Instead, I would say that she doesn't know how to dress very nice. Her skirt is much too short. To be fair, she is lifting up the shirt in the photo to show her tattoo, and her back is to the camera, so I don't know just how revealing the shirt is, but from the back, if she just let it down I don't think the shirt is a problem. It's just spaghetti straps, but I don't know how much boob is showing, so it's kind of hard to make a good assessment.

    Or at least I wouldn't wear a skirt that short out in public.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

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    Are you saying that women who go to bars don't deserve respect?
    Just the women who shoot down the gipper.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    About her outfit, I would agree that it is NOT an outfit I would ever wear, but I would not say that she is "slutty" because of it.
    The first thing I notice about that pic, right after I look at her T&A and cute face is scars on her left arm that indicate that she's a cutter. A self mutilator. A sign of serious emotional issues.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    The first thing I notice about that pic, right after I look at her T&A and cute face is scars on her left arm that indicate that she's a cutter. A self mutilator. A sign of serious emotional issues.
    I didn't notice that. I was too busy looking at her clothing. How sad. I would think that a lot of girls who go out and sleep around all the time with just whoever they meet at a bar are probably suffering from some kind of emotional disturbance.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    About her outfit, I would agree that it is NOT an outfit I would ever wear, but I would not say that she is "slutty" because of it. Instead, I would say that she doesn't know how to dress very nice. Her skirt is much too short. To be fair, she is lifting up the shirt in the photo to show her tattoo, and her back is to the camera, so I don't know just how revealing the shirt is, but from the back, if she just let it down I don't think the shirt is a problem. It's just spaghetti straps, but I don't know how much boob is showing, so it's kind of hard to make a good assessment.

    Or at least I wouldn't wear a skirt that short out in public.
    I just keep thinking I know her. She looks so familiar to me. If I did know her, it would likely be from Hawaii.

    Actually, it does make me think, doesn't location make a difference for where you might see certain clothing worn though? In Hawaii, particularly the bars in Waikiki, bikinis and flipflops are common in some clubs.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Depends how you define "revealing".

    I full length dress and top with turtle-neck or whatever could be revealing, depending on how an individual views things.


    But IMO....no.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Let me put it this way:

    IF clothing IS a factor in some rapes, that points towards a cultural issue - namely that we think outward appearance indicates internal intent/opinion/whatever, and further, that some rapists are attracted to said persons because they are, however much we might dislike the idea, part of our culture....


    As humans in general, we tend to view the outward appearance of a person as highly indicative of their internal self.
    Fat person = lazy, possibly stupid, low self-esteem (caused by cultural views, in part?), lack of self-control, etc, etc, whatever.
    Scantily dressed female (or male?) - likes showing off her body, probably to attract sexual partners..."slut" is the term that comes to mind...

    Thing is, those are actually true in many cases, but how much of that is because the cultural views of such give (in the case of the scantily dressed person, possibly the fat person) people ideas/templates.

    And yes, i said fat person...IMO it's BS to use some "PC" term instead - we all know what the terms mean, even if we don't admit it.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I just keep thinking I know her. She looks so familiar to me. If I did know her, it would likely be from Hawaii.

    Actually, it does make me think, doesn't location make a difference for where you might see certain clothing worn though? In Hawaii, particularly the bars in Waikiki, bikinis and flipflops are common in some clubs.
    Sure, definitely in colder climate parts of the country people are going to be dressing with a LOT less skin showing. It's too cold for all that! Maybe that's why I don't see as many "scantily clad" people around my area.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Are you kidding? This is what you have been implying throughout the entire discussion . . . that girls who dress in a certain manner are sending out certain signals. This is what we have been arguing about the whole time!
    Because it's true. A person's style of dress does send off certain signals to the people around them, regardless of whether it is intended to do so or not.

    Frankly, even that is a cop out, as in most cases, a person is not oblivious to the signals in question. Most people actually choose their style of dress with the deliberate intention of sending those kinds of signals out in the first place.

    Just because it tends to happen, however; does not mean that it justifies rape. I never so much as implied that.

    Didn't you ask me what I think when I see a person dressed in a certain way? You did, and I answered your question, and now you're telling me we aren't talking about people I know?
    Yes. We were talking about first impressions. If you already know a person, their clothing can't very well make a "first impression," now can it?

    I have been nothing but honest, so I don't know what you're insinuating, but anyway NO, I wouldn't judge a person's character based upon their choice of clothing. I would base my opinions based on a person's actions.
    A dirty slob in a T-shirt and a clean cut man in a nice suit walk into a bar and / or night club one after the other.

    Which one would you rather flirt with? Which one would you rather have approach you?

    I don't believe for a single second that you wouldn't make some kind of assumption about these men based upon their style of dress. Frankly, if you wouldn't, you really need to.

    There is a difference between "open mindedness" and simple naivety, after all.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    He's saying that he thinks spending time with women is useless unless they "put out."
    If you're only in the bar for the explicit purpose of finding someone to have sex with in the first place, it's kind of hard to argue with his logic.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    About her outfit, I would agree that it is NOT an outfit I would ever wear, but I would not say that she is "slutty" because of it. Instead, I would say that she doesn't know how to dress very nice. Her skirt is much too short. To be fair, she is lifting up the shirt in the photo to show her tattoo, and her back is to the camera, so I don't know just how revealing the shirt is, but from the back, if she just let it down I don't think the shirt is a problem. It's just spaghetti straps, but I don't know how much boob is showing, so it's kind of hard to make a good assessment.

    Or at least I wouldn't wear a skirt that short out in public.
    Do you really think that she fell into that outfit by accident, or that she is completely unaware of way in which it leads people to view her?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Let me put it this way:

    IF clothing IS a factor in some rapes, that points towards a cultural issue - namely that we think outward appearance indicates internal intent/opinion/whatever, and further, that some rapists are attracted to said persons because they are, however much we might dislike the idea, part of our culture....


    As humans in general, we tend to view the outward appearance of a person as highly indicative of their internal self.
    Fat person = lazy, possibly stupid, low self-esteem (caused by cultural views, in part?), lack of self-control, etc, etc, whatever.
    Scantily dressed female (or male?) - likes showing off her body, probably to attract sexual partners..."slut" is the term that comes to mind...

    Thing is, those are actually true in many cases, but how much of that is because the cultural views of such give (in the case of the scantily dressed person, possibly the fat person) people ideas/templates.

    And yes, i said fat person...IMO it's BS to use some "PC" term instead - we all know what the terms mean, even if we don't admit it.
    Of course it's cultural. It's not like clothing is a part of our intrinsic biology, after all. However, just because it's cultural, doesn't mean that there isn't some truth to it.

    These kinds of stereotypes tend to exist for a reason, after all.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It doesn't work that way though. Plenty of guys out there who are going to try for the women they are attracted to, which isn't always going to be the one dressed the sluttiest, even for most guys.
    99 times out of 100, those guys are going to be going home alone.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Such a huge stereotype it isn't even funny. A guy doesn't have to be aggressive or testosterone poisoned to rape a woman. The geeky guy can be just as likely to rape a woman.
    Perhaps not. However, the groups most notorious for date rape tend to be frat boys and athletes.

    Neither clique is known for attracting particularly "meek" varieties of men, or men with especially respectful attitudes towards women.

    I think way too many guys in this conversation are going off of either their personal attractions and attitude or the stereotypes of men that are out there. I am going off of my experience with men.
    We actually are men. We know how men think, and I'm willing to bet that we have more experience dealing with other men than you do.

    While not every man will go after "sluts," not every man is promiscuous either. Promiscuous men do tend to overwhelmingly go after women they perceive to be "slutty," precisely because they know that there is a much higher likelihood that they will put out.
    Last edited by Gathomas88; 02-20-14 at 11:54 PM.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Because it's true. A person's style of dress does send off certain signals to the people around them, regardless of whether it is intended to do so or not.

    Frankly, even that is a cop out, as in most cases, a person is not oblivious to the signals in question. Most people actually choose their style of dress with the deliberate intention of sending those kinds of signals out in the first place.

    Just because it tends to happen, however; does not mean that it justifies rape. I never so much as implied that.
    MOST of the women are dressed at least somewhat provocatively.



    Yes. We were talking about first impressions. If you already know a person, their clothing can't very well make a "first impression," now can it?
    Yes, but since I've known people who wear biker shirts and things like that who do not actually own a bike, then I know not to jump to such conclusions.

    A dirty slob in a T-shirt and a clean cut man in a nice suit walk into a bar and / or night club one after the other.

    Which one would you rather flirt with? Which one would you rather have approach you?
    That depends on a lot of different things. For one thing, you are assuming that I would think the first man was scummy, but I would not think that. MY first impression would be that perhaps he just got done working and was just coming in for an after-work relaxing drink.

    Maybe the guy in the suit is an obnoxious ass or something. I mean, there IS more to a first impression than clothing.

    I don't believe for a single second that you wouldn't make some kind of assumption about these men based upon their style of dress. Frankly, if you wouldn't, you really need to.

    There is a difference between "open mindedness" and simple naivety, after all.
    I know, I am open minded, and you are naive.


    If you're only in the bar for the explicit purpose of finding someone to have sex with in the first place, it's kind of hard to argue with his logic.
    I suppose you have a point, but that doesn't make it any less jerky.


    Do you really think that she fell into that outfit by accident, or that she is completely unaware of way in which it leads people to view her?
    Well, I think she is trying to be sexy, but the outfit is really not sexy but more cheap looking. I will say even kind of skanky looking, and to me there is a BIG difference between sexy and skanky. HOWEVER, I would not think that SHE is skanky, just that she doesn't understand what "sexy" is.

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