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  • I suspect women are wearing revealing clothes in most rape cases

    1 0.98%
  • I suspect that a man/woman will rape regardless of the victims clothing

    28 27.45%
  • I think some women are inviting dangerous attention when wearing revealing attire

    6 5.88%
  • I don't think clothes have anything to do with rape

    56 54.90%
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Last I check, we don't wear signs around out neck that accurately portray character traits. You have to judge by obvious factors. Maybe they're accurate; maybe they're not. However, we all do it.

    Dance? That's it? Doesn't seem like a fair trade IMO. It's like women who accept the free drink and refuse payback in the back seat after last call.
    Exactly. No one wears any type of sign, not even in their clothing.

    And since everyone has different types, then it requires actually talking to a woman to find out if there is any chance of her going home (or wherever) with her to begin with. I've been hit on in my coveralls on the ship for Christ's sake. (Of course my husband claims that they look good on me. But then again my husband jumped me once when I came back to my hotel room in blue cammies. Don't think that would be true for every woman or every guy.)

    It is all about preferences, and not all guys share the same preferences, nor are all guys going to have enough going for them to get that ok to get near the woman. In order for there to be some sort of "misunderstanding" of intentions when we are talking a bar type pickup, the girl is going to have to at the least be talking with the guy or something. It isn't likely that there is a misunderstanding if there isn't any communications between the two to begin with. Heck not all guys are going to even be attracted to the scantily clad woman for sex. Some may figure she is too loose. Others may just not want to take any risks (whether that assumption that she would be a risk is warranted or not). Some simply would rather have the more subtle woman.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Exactly. No one wears any type of sign, not even in their clothing.

    And since everyone has different types, then it requires actually talking to a woman to find out if there is any chance of her going home (or wherever) with her to begin with. I've been hit on in my coveralls on the ship for Christ's sake. (Of course my husband claims that they look good on me. But then again my husband jumped me once when I came back to my hotel room in blue cammies. Don't think that would be true for every woman or every guy.)

    It is all about preferences, and not all guys share the same preferences, nor are all guys going to have enough going for them to get that ok to get near the woman. In order for there to be some sort of "misunderstanding" of intentions when we are talking a bar type pickup, the girl is going to have to at the least be talking with the guy or something. It isn't likely that there is a misunderstanding if there isn't any communications between the two to begin with. Heck not all guys are going to even be attracted to the scantily clad woman for sex. Some may figure she is too loose. Others may just not want to take any risks (whether that assumption that she would be a risk is warranted or not). Some simply would rather have the more subtle woman.
    We're talking potential rapists though. Of course they love sluts. Hell, most of them probably think that all women are sluts anyway. They just go after the weakest member of the pack.

    For them, slutty clothing is advertising.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Chocolate View Post
    You can be erm... very sexual or a "Slut" but I don't see how that has anything to do with rape? are slutty woman more desireable? I always assumed a rapist would rape more so due to opertunity...then looks
    I agree it's opportunity. Jameis Winston is a well-known rapist, however he just won a Heisman trophy because he had the opportunity to rape and get away with it.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Absolutely untrue. Unless they are deliberately aiming for the very lowest targets on the menu, most guys struggle in this regard, and many do not care to try at all.

    If existing cases are any indication, generally the more aggressive "testosterone posioned" type.
    Such a huge stereotype it isn't even funny. A guy doesn't have to be aggressive or testosterone poisoned to rape a woman. The geeky guy can be just as likely to rape a woman.

    Heck, I knew many guys on the ship who held the belief that the more women they went after, the more chances they have. And one guy the others would claim that he just went up to a woman and told her he could only get off through masturbating so he could go all night for her (apparently this worked). One of those "go for all" actually propositioned me on the way home from a division picnic one day. He accepted the rejection with a shrug and no problem.

    I think way too many guys in this conversation are going off of either their personal attractions and attitude or the stereotypes of men that are out there. I am going off of my experience with men. I may not attract a ton of guys, but I attract my share (or at least I did when I was single). And I'm also pretty observant. Women who dress in less clothing are not really attracting a ton guys more than me or than I did. (Now, my sister can attract quite a few guys herself, but it doesn't really matter what she wears, she has a good sized butt and bust on a small body.)

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    I don't have the slightest idea. Certainly none I've ever met.

    Where are you hanging out that "librarian types" are so common anyway?
    I'm not exactly outgoing in what I wear. And I've known plenty of guys who thought of me as the librarian type. Heck some of my guy friends on the ship swore up and down that my sweet and innocent attitude was all an act and that I was really a dominatrix type in bed. I rarely wear makeup or contacts (prefer my glasses to sore/sticky eyes). Even at the bars I frequent, I don't exactly dress up, yet I can attract my share of attention (well, harder now because of a single piece of jewelry I always wear, but eh not worth hiding the fact).

    But really it would depend on where you are to begin with. Where do you normally go to pick up women to sleep with? Where do most guys go? Now which of those guys exactly are most likely to rape a woman? Can you pick them out in the crowds? Because I'm willing to bet you can't pick out the potential rapists based solely on clothing. And even their actions aren't likely to give them away completely either, maybe if you knew them pretty well, went out with them.

    Plus, another problem with the assumptions being made here is that "misunderstanding" type incidents only happen or happen most because a guy is only looking for a woman to take home (wherever) for sex. It is also possible for these incidents to happen when a guy is looking for a more serious relationship, but still figures he might get lucky with her (maybe they've talked a few times at the bar or danced) but misreads the cues.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    We're talking potential rapists though. Of course they love sluts. Hell, most of them probably think that all women are sluts anyway. They just go after the weakest member of the pack.

    For them, slutty clothing is advertising.
    Assumptions much? You cannot possibly say that most potential rapists prefer sluts. You simply can't know this.

    And if they think all women are sluts anyway, then there is no reason that they would differentiate between women based on what they were wearing.

    Maybe stupid men believe that women dressed a certain way are easiest, but even that I doubt. Plus you would still need to gain the woman's attention for enough time to get her to agree to go somewhere "less crowded" with you in order to reach a point to get to a "misunderstanding". Otherwise, that isn't a misunderstanding but a blatant rape situation and it would go back to the preferences of the individual rapist.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Dance? That's it? Doesn't seem like a fair trade IMO. It's like women who accept the free drink and refuse payback in the back seat after last call.
    Are you assuming that every woman needs a man to pay for her drinks to dance with him? Hell, I asked my husband to dance the first night I noticed him. I don't need a drink to dance with a guy who is capable of dancing. Now this guy we referred to as "Twirly" he required a drink payment just to deal with him, but he knew I was taken and continued to come back, so...
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Assumptions much? You cannot possibly say that most potential rapists prefer sluts. You simply can't know this.

    And if they think all women are sluts anyway, then there is no reason that they would differentiate between women based on what they were wearing.

    Maybe stupid men believe that women dressed a certain way are easiest, but even that I doubt. Plus you would still need to gain the woman's attention for enough time to get her to agree to go somewhere "less crowded" with you in order to reach a point to get to a "misunderstanding". Otherwise, that isn't a misunderstanding but a blatant rape situation and it would go back to the preferences of the individual rapist.
    You're right. There is some assuming. I'm not a rapist. I can't ask anyone I know because they're not rapists either. I'm just cutting to the chase with Occam's Razor here.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Are you assuming that every woman needs a man to pay for her drinks to dance with him? Hell, I asked my husband to dance the first night I noticed him. I don't need a drink to dance with a guy who is capable of dancing. Now this guy we referred to as "Twirly" he required a drink payment just to deal with him, but he knew I was taken and continued to come back, so...
    Not at all. I'm just saying that women who accept free drinks should be aware that it's not because he "wants to get to know you better".

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    And he would be wrong, which is why we send such people to jail.

    No where have I implied that clothing is an actual form of consent.
    Are you kidding? This is what you have been implying throughout the entire discussion . . . that girls who dress in a certain manner are sending out certain signals. This is what we have been arguing about the whole time!

    We're not talking about people you know.
    Didn't you ask me what I think when I see a person dressed in a certain way? You did, and I answered your question, and now you're telling me we aren't talking about people I know?

    Why would it? You're not a guy, so you're not deliberately looking for those kinds of women.

    On the other hand, however; if you see a man come in wearing a greasy stained T-shirt and ripped blue jeans with four days worth of stubble on his face, are you not going make certain assumptions about him based off of his style of dress?

    What about a man wearing an expensive suit instead?

    Be honest here, Chris.
    I have been nothing but honest, so I don't know what you're insinuating, but anyway NO, I wouldn't judge a person's character based upon their choice of clothing. I would base my opinions based on a person's actions.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Are you assuming that every woman needs a man to pay for her drinks to dance with him? Hell, I asked my husband to dance the first night I noticed him. I don't need a drink to dance with a guy who is capable of dancing. Now this guy we referred to as "Twirly" he required a drink payment just to deal with him, but he knew I was taken and continued to come back, so...
    He's saying that he thinks spending time with women is useless unless they "put out."

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