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  • I suspect women are wearing revealing clothes in most rape cases

    1 0.98%
  • I suspect that a man/woman will rape regardless of the victims clothing

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  • I think some women are inviting dangerous attention when wearing revealing attire

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  • I don't think clothes have anything to do with rape

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Thread: Rape and Clothing

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I don't think it really does play a factor. I was only humoring him, and maybe acknowledging that on a rare occasion it might play a small (VERY small) role. Wearing provocative clothing is most certainly NOT a contributing factor in rapes. Rape counselors have stated as much in my links. I would think they would be "experts" in their field.
    I don't see where he disagrees that it's generally not a significant factor though.
    And to be fair, the Yoga pants thread was about the pros and cons of certain attire in a public school setting. Rape was not really what trigged the provocative attire inappropriateness discussion.

    We communicate with our appearance, it's absurd to claim otherwise. And no that never excuses rape (for the how many'th time!)

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by herenow1 View Post
    Bingo!! We can go home now.

    Gath, thanks for answering but I want to know if you thought the girl in the pic was dressed provocative and would you tell your GF to change clothes?
    I didn't have any problem with what she was wearing. For a warm summer day out in public, it'd be absolutely fine.

    For walking through a dark alleyway at night, I'd probably opt for something a bit more concealing just to be on the safe side. However, in that case, I'd probably simply go with her anyway.

    Also could you find a pic of a woman who is dressed provocatively? A pic that would be more realistic and not on the beach. Just trying to decipher what clothing is more ''dangerous'' for a woman. Thanks


    Something along these lines is more of what I was talking about. Not only is it revealing, but it is trashy.

    It sends off vibes implying that a woman is sexually available, and not particularly hard to get.

    I've seen (admittedly, much more attractive) young women wearing stuff worse than that in downtown Chas on several occasions. It's not terribly uncommon to even run across women in tight "booty shorts," midriff baring tank tops, and stripper heels pounding the strip looking for a good time.

    Even if those women aren't looking to have sex per se, they are looking to get attention. If they're not careful to take the right precautions, they run the risk of getting that attention from someone who might misunderstand their intentions.

    This could be a contributing factor in that person either not taking "no" for an answer or trying to take advantage.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Again, you're talking about behavior as opposed to what a person is wearing. Most women do wear provocative clothing at the club and it really doesn't play a role in who gets raped.
    Yes, but there's provocative and then there's provocative. The latter tends to get more attention from the "wrong" kinds of guys.

    I also didn't deny that behavior plays the major role in this.

    Here is my view in a nutshell.


    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Exactly. It's not a factor in most rapes, but it can be, and sometimes is, a contributing factor in some rapes. The kinds of rapes where this is most common are date rapes; though, even then, it is probably not the major factor involved so much as generally unsafe behavior.

    Some posters in this thread are trying to deny even that. I'm sorry, but I'm simply not buying that argument.

    Look at it this way. I'm a straight man. Going into a gay club by myself is pretty much always risky.

    However, if I go in wearing a skin tight pair of neon pink bicycle shorts and tight T-shirt tied off above my waist, I'm only making it worse, as I am now deliberately attracting the attention of everyone in the room in an overtly sexual manner. If you're not actually planning on having sex with anyone, it is simply a bad idea to go out of one's way to give off the impression that you might be.

    This won't get me assaulted in and of itself, in all likelihood, but it could contribute to a misunderstanding that might increase the likelihood on an assault occurring.
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    Why do I not believe that you really believe this?
    I think less "screwing around" in general would be a good thing. I have made no secret of that.

    However, I'm hardly suggesting that we all live like the Amish instead.

    No, men need to take extra efforts to extinguish the sort of misogynistic thinking that leads them to "expect" something on a date, or to assume things about women because of how they are dressed, if what you say is the case. That is disgusting to say that women have to change anything when they are NOT the problem.
    If wishes were dollar bills, Chris, we'd all be billionaires.

    We already prosecute these rapists and make an active point of preaching against their behavior. Rape is still common; depressingly so where the issue we are currently discussing is concerned.

    Whether you like it or not, there are certain things a woman is going to have to avoid if she wants to be safe. That's simple reality, and it isn't going to change any time soon. There really isn't anything else to it.

    Again, you say one thing and then contradict yourself. You obviously put some level of responsibility on the woman (who is hurting no one) instead of putting ALL the blame on the rapist.
    She is potentially hurting herself if she doesn't take care to defend her own best interests.

    Again, this is simple reality. Concepts like "blame" don't even enter into the equation.

    It is so annoying, it makes me want to slap you.
    Should I "turn the other cheek?"
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    It seems people are attributing rape to a "one size fits all" profile. Though there are more common reasons of anger, control and repression, there are also instances of misinterpretation. Those types typically don't lead to full on rape, though they can instigate sexual assaults.

    For instance; horny guy being playfully, teased by inebriated female. She doesn't really want to go all the way, while he's thinking her signaling of "NO", now means "Oh Yes, bring it on!" In her state of increasing intoxication, she's semi unconscious of what's occurring and wakes later, wishing, it hadn't happened and thinks she was raped. Often it amounts to a sexually aggressive male (young) being frustrated and not knowing when to stop.

    My point is, females dressing provocatively will get you hit on more often but probably not raped. The amount of rapes occurring on women for their clothing styles are probably a very low percentage. The amount of sexual assaults on younger females for being inexperienced and putting themselves in bad situations, is much more common.
    But here's the thing I see as the problem with this. It assumes that the guy wouldn't have taken that half-drunk or playful girl home had she not been wearing what she was wearing. Clothes themselves are not going to cause a person to get the wrong signals completely. Did the girl not say no at all during the buildup? Did he force himself on her quickly or take it in steps without her saying no? If she were passed out, would he have raped her still had she been wearing a pair of jeans or a more covering blouse? I would say how forceful she is in declining him or her ability/inability to decline him to begin with would be the real factor, not the clothes.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Clothes themselves are not going to cause a person to get the wrong signals completely.
    You seriously believe that?

    If it walks like a slut, and looks like a slut...

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    But here's the thing I see as the problem with this. It assumes that the guy wouldn't have taken that half-drunk or playful girl home had she not been wearing what she was wearing. Clothes themselves are not going to cause a person to get the wrong signals completely. Did the girl not say no at all during the buildup? Did he force himself on her quickly or take it in steps without her saying no? If she were passed out, would he have raped her still had she been wearing a pair of jeans or a more covering blouse? I would say how forceful she is in declining him or her ability/inability to decline him to begin with would be the real factor, not the clothes.
    Nah, you're not looking at this from a guy point of view, which is difficult, unless you're a guy. A girl who's got everything pushed up and out, looking like sex on a stick is definitely going to be more irresistible than Miss Librarian date. If a sexpot is sticking her tongue in your ear, saying nasty things with a little nipple popping out, then suddenly says "NO!", then the clothes played a part in how hard the date rape was to resist.

    Again it's not common, but squeezing, teasing with no intention of pleasing and barely wearing a squirrel cover is a recipe for disaster. Don't underestimate, even a normal guys control, when the hormones of youth kick in.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by herenow1 View Post
    Bingo!! We can go home now.

    Gath, thanks for answering but I want to know if you thought the girl in the pic was dressed provocative and would you tell your GF to change clothes? Also could you find a pic of a woman who is dressed provocatively? A pic that would be more realistic and not on the beach. Just trying to decipher what clothing is more ''dangerous''(in your mind) for a woman. Thanks
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    You seriously believe that?

    If it walks like a slut, and looks like a slut...
    You can be erm... very sexual or a "Slut" but I don't see how that has anything to do with rape? are slutty woman more desireable? I always assumed a rapist would rape more so due to opertunity...then looks

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Oh yeah, it happens, horny guy going too far because of "hot chick" dressed to reveal, yes way! Rare, probably but no doubt many a privileged celebrity or college jerk has done it.

    You go to prison dressed that way and I promise you'll get raped....lol
    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    I don't see where he disagrees that it's generally not a significant factor though.
    And to be fair, the Yoga pants thread was about the pros and cons of certain attire in a public school setting. Rape was not really what trigged the provocative attire inappropriateness discussion.

    We communicate with our appearance, it's absurd to claim otherwise. And no that never excuses rape (for the how many'th time!)
    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    I didn't have any problem with what she was wearing. For a warm summer day out in public, it'd be absolutely fine.

    For walking through a dark alleyway at night, I'd probably opt for something a bit more concealing just to be on the safe side. However, in that case, I'd probably simply go with her anyway.





    Something along these lines is more of what I was talking about. Not only is it revealing, but it is trashy.

    It sends off vibes implying that a woman is sexually available, and not particularly hard to get.

    I've seen (admittedly, much more attractive) young women wearing stuff worse than that in downtown Chas on several occasions. It's not terribly uncommon to even run across women in tight "booty shorts," midriff baring tank tops, and stripper heels pounding the strip looking for a good time.

    Even if those women aren't looking to have sex per se, they are looking to get attention. If they're not careful to take the right precautions, they run the risk of getting that attention from someone who might misunderstand their intentions.

    This could be a contributing factor in that person either not taking "no" for an answer or trying to take advantage.



    Yes, but there's provocative and then there's provocative. The latter tends to get more attention from the "wrong" kinds of guys.

    I also didn't deny that behavior plays the major role in this.

    Here is my view in a nutshell.




    See?



    I think less "screwing around" in general would be a good thing. I have made no secret of that.

    However, I'm hardly suggesting that we all live like the Amish instead.



    If wishes were dollar bills, Chris, we'd all be billionaires.

    We already prosecute these rapists and make an active point of preaching against their behavior. Rape is still common; depressingly so where the issue we are currently discussing is concerned.

    Whether you like it or not, there are certain things a woman is going to have to avoid if she wants to be safe. That's simple reality, and it isn't going to change any time soon. There really isn't anything else to it.



    She is potentially hurting herself if she doesn't take care to defend her own best interests.

    Again, this is simple reality. Concepts like "blame" don't even enter into the equation.



    Should I "turn the other cheek?"
    This is all such bull crap! The only way a person's clothing would be considered "consenting" to sex is if she wasn't wearing any!

    Clothing doesn't speak, and if any man is making assumptions about a woman based upon how she is dressed, then he is moron and mentally disturbed too.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    You seriously believe that?

    If it walks like a slut, and looks like a slut...
    I'm sure plenty of people would consider you a slut without even knowing what you look like, because THAT doesn't matter. There are fat sluts and ugly sluts, so WHAT does a "slut" look like?

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Chocolate View Post
    You can be erm... very sexual or a "Slut" but I don't see how that has anything to do with rape? are slutty woman more desireable? I always assumed a rapist would rape more so due to opertunity...then looks
    Men who rape, I would imagine, find sluts more desirable. They justify in their minds that "she's asking for it".

    I'm betting that the difference between the average man and a rapist is impulse control.

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