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  • I suspect women are wearing revealing clothes in most rape cases

    1 0.98%
  • I suspect that a man/woman will rape regardless of the victims clothing

    28 27.45%
  • I think some women are inviting dangerous attention when wearing revealing attire

    6 5.88%
  • I don't think clothes have anything to do with rape

    56 54.90%
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    It seems people are attributing rape to a "one size fits all" profile. Though there are more common reasons of anger, control and repression, there are also instances of misinterpretation. Those types typically don't lead to full on rape, though they can instigate sexual assaults.

    For instance; horny guy being playfully, teased by inebriated female. She doesn't really want to go all the way, while he's thinking her signaling of "NO", now means "Oh Yes, bring it on!" In her state of increasing intoxication, she's semi unconscious of what's occurring and wakes later, wishing, it hadn't happened and thinks she was raped. Often it amounts to a sexually aggressive male (young) being frustrated and not knowing when to stop.

    My point is, females dressing provocatively will get you hit on more often but probably not raped. The amount of rapes occurring on women for their clothing styles are probably a very low percentage. The amount of sexual assaults on younger females for being inexperienced and putting themselves in bad situations, is much more common.
    Agree here. There are miscommunications where the accused did not have the intention of forcing sex and the victim did feel violated. The only situations I accounted for(honestly hadn't considered this type for the purposes of this particular aspect of rape cases) where those of intent, where the rapist knew consent wasn't present and proceeded anyway.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by herenow1 View Post
    CHRIS,

    Maybe you can ask Gath our questions since he only seems to be responding to you
    I've noticed that Gath & Chris should get a room at the nearest motel.

    Both in their 20's, she's an ENFP and he's an INTJ.

    It's a match made in heaven.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
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    If it can play a factor, then it cannot be discounted.
    If it can be discounted, it cannot play a factor.

    This can only be resolved by you ChrisL, Gathomas88 cannot but point out the contradiction above.

    The very first page he claimed it generally was not a factor, and that in NO case is would it justify rape.
    I don't think it really does play a factor. I was only humoring him, and maybe acknowledging that on a rare occasion it might play a small (VERY small) role. Wearing provocative clothing is most certainly NOT a contributing factor in rapes. Rape counselors have stated as much in my links. I would think they would be "experts" in their field.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    I've noticed that Gath & Chris should get a room at the nearest motel.

    Both in their 20's, she's an ENFP and he's an INTJ.

    It's a match made in heaven.
    Well thanks, but I'm in my 30s.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    It would, which is exactly why people have done things that way for most of human history. As I said before, date rape has only really become a major problem since our society began encouraging more generally "loose" sexual behavior in the post 1960s era anyway.
    Again, you're talking about behavior as opposed to what a person is wearing. Most women do wear provocative clothing at the club and it really doesn't play a role in who gets raped.

    Does this mean that we have to go back to doing things the way they were before? No.
    Why do I not believe that you really believe this?

    It simply means that women are going to have to put in the extra effort necessary to keep themselves safe in the new and significantly more dangerous sexual environment the modern world has created.
    No, men need to take extra efforts to extinguish the sort of misogynistic thinking that leads them to "expect" something on a date, or to assume things about women because of how they are dressed, if what you say is the case. That is disgusting to say that women have to change anything when they are NOT the problem.

    I never denied that.

    However, this doesn't change the fact that there are certain things women can do to avoid making themselves obvious targets.
    Again, you say one thing and then contradict yourself. You obviously put some level of responsibility on the woman (who is hurting no one) instead of putting ALL the blame on the rapist. It is so annoying, it makes me want to slap you.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    I've noticed that Gath & Chris should get a room at the nearest motel.

    Both in their 20's, she's an ENFP and he's an INTJ.

    It's a match made in heaven.
    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well thanks, but I'm in my 30s.



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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Agree here. There are miscommunications where the accused did not have the intention of forcing sex and the victim did feel violated. The only situations I accounted for(honestly hadn't considered this type for the purposes of this particular aspect of rape cases) where those of intent, where the rapist knew consent wasn't present and proceeded anyway.
    There are also many instances of molestation of younger teens. A friend of mine and his sister were partially molested by a family friend, who was a teenager himself. It wasn't full on rape or penetration and sometimes, it's even from a family member. These are usually impulsive acts, and not premeditated or meant to cause harm. This and women having men go too far in office, clubs, bars and dates are often mistaken as serious abuse, when they're actually minor sexual assaults.

    In most of those cases, how someone dresses and they're appearance is more a factor than in violent forms of sexual assault.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    It seems people are attributing rape to a "one size fits all" profile. Though there are more common reasons of anger, control and repression, there are also instances of misinterpretation. Those types typically don't lead to full on rape, though they can instigate sexual assaults.

    For instance; horny guy being playfully, teased by inebriated female. She doesn't really want to go all the way, while he's thinking her signaling of "NO", now means "Oh Yes, bring it on!" In her state of increasing intoxication, she's semi unconscious of what's occurring and wakes later, wishing, it hadn't happened and thinks she was raped. Often it amounts to a sexually aggressive male (young) being frustrated and not knowing when to stop.

    My point is, females dressing provocatively will get you hit on more often but probably not raped. The amount of rapes occurring on women for their clothing styles are probably a very low percentage. The amount of sexual assaults on younger females for being inexperienced and putting themselves in bad situations, is much more common.
    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Agree here. There are miscommunications where the accused did not have the intention of forcing sex and the victim did feel violated. The only situations I accounted for(honestly hadn't considered this type for the purposes of this particular aspect of rape cases) where those of intent, where the rapist knew consent wasn't present and proceeded anyway.
    Exactly. It's not a factor in most rapes, but it can be, and sometimes is, a contributing factor in some rapes. The kinds of rapes where this is most common are date rapes; though, even then, it is probably not the major factor involved so much as generally unsafe behavior.

    Some posters in this thread are trying to deny even that. I'm sorry, but I'm simply not buying that argument.

    Look at it this way. I'm a straight man. Going into a gay club by myself is pretty much always risky.

    However, if I go in wearing a skin tight pair of neon pink bicycle shorts and tight T-shirt tied off above my waist, I'm only making it worse, as I am now deliberately attracting the attention of everyone in the room in an overtly sexual manner. If you're not actually planning on having sex with anyone, it is simply a bad idea to go out of one's way to give off the impression that you might be.

    This won't get me assaulted in and of itself, in all likelihood, but it could contribute to a misunderstanding that might increase the likelihood on an assault occurring.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Exactly. It's not a factor in most rapes, but it can be, and sometimes is, a contributing factor in some rapes. The kinds of rapes where this is most common are date rapes; though, even then, it is probably not the major factor involved so much as generally unsafe behavior.

    Some posters in this thread are trying to deny even that. I'm sorry, but I'm simply not buying that argument.

    Look at it this way. I'm a straight man. Going into a gay club by myself is pretty much always risky.

    However, if I go in wearing a skin tight pair of neon pink bicycle shorts and tight T-shirt tied off above my waist, I'm only making it worse, because I am now deliberately attracting the attention of everyone in the room in a sexual fashion. If I'm not actually planning on having sex with anyone, it is simply a bad idea to go out of one's way to give off that impression.
    Oh yeah, it happens, horny guy going too far because of "hot chick" dressed to reveal, yes way! Rare, probably but no doubt many a privileged celebrity or college jerk has done it.

    You go to prison dressed that way and I promise you'll get raped....lol
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    It seems people are attributing rape to a "one size fits all" profile. Though there are more common reasons of anger, control and repression, there are also instances of misinterpretation. Those types typically don't lead to full on rape, though they can instigate sexual assaults.

    For instance; horny guy being playfully, teased by inebriated female. She doesn't really want to go all the way, while he's thinking her signaling of "NO", now means "Oh Yes, bring it on!" In her state of increasing intoxication, she's semi unconscious of what's occurring and wakes later, wishing, it hadn't happened and thinks she was raped. Often it amounts to a sexually aggressive male (young) being frustrated and not knowing when to stop.

    My point is, females dressing provocatively will get you hit on more often but probably not raped. The amount of rapes occurring on women for their clothing styles are probably a very low percentage. The amount of sexual assaults on younger females for being inexperienced and putting themselves in bad situations, is much more common.

    Bingo!! We can go home now.

    Gath, thanks for answering but I want to know if you thought the girl in the pic was dressed provocative and would you tell your GF to change clothes? Also could you find a pic of a woman who is dressed provocatively? A pic that would be more realistic and not on the beach. Just trying to decipher what clothing is more ''dangerous''(in your mind) for a woman. Thanks
    Last edited by herenow1; 02-20-14 at 03:21 PM.

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