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  • I suspect women are wearing revealing clothes in most rape cases

    1 0.98%
  • I suspect that a man/woman will rape regardless of the victims clothing

    28 27.45%
  • I think some women are inviting dangerous attention when wearing revealing attire

    6 5.88%
  • I don't think clothes have anything to do with rape

    56 54.90%
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    None of those sources provided any kind of specific figures on the likelihood of a "nice girl" being date raped vs a "bad girl."

    At least one of them did imply that more promiscuous women might be at a greater risk, however, IIRC.
    Wrong again. Here it is. Read please.

    As it happens, there is not a shred of evidence in the research literature to support the theory that a woman's risk of suffering serious sexual assault is linked to her clothing. Many factors have been identified as putting a woman at statistically greater risk, including drinking, her consensual sexual habits and (tragically) her past victimisation, but you'll find nothing on clothing. What research there is on rapists and their decision-making points to the rapist's opportunity and the victim's vulnerability (psychological and situational) as the relevant factors, not appearance. Those who work on the frontline with rape victims testify that they come in all shapes, sizes and sartorial shades.
    Again, you're assuming that we're talking about dedicated serial rapists here. They are not the kind who most commonly commit date rape.

    It doesn't matter. A date rapist is forcing himself upon his victim too. What are you talking about? Are you actually saying that a date rapist is a "normal guy?" Really Gathomas, you need to do some soul-searching I think.

    You know that strip clubs generally have big scary bouncers guarding the exits for a reason, right?
    LOL! Plenty of these women "get together" with men after hours Gathomas. They even have drinks with them after their shifts sometimes and even do sexual favors for money for them, so there are certainly opportunities for a rapist available. You are SO naive. Besides, I said "outside" of the club. They could still be raped in the parking lot, someone could wait in their vehicle, someone could follow them, multiple, multiple different scenarios.

    Maybe they do, but that's still not any reason to assume that they are clinically ill.

    I'm going to see some kind of evidence before I believe that.
    SO . . . you think a rapist is just a "normal dude." Is that what you're saying? That's really messed up stuff there.

    Again, I can think no reason whatsoever to imagine that women who dress conservatively would be more promiscuous than those who deliberately dress to attract male attention.

    Frankly, they would be doing it wrong.
    Because some don't rely on "attractiveness" because they aren't really very attractive.

    I see absolutely no reason to assume that.
    It's not an assumption. You are wrong period.

    I'm not "blaming" anyone. A lot of women do get in trouble, precisely because of the behaviors we are currently discussing.

    It is a fact.
    Clothing choice is NOT a "behavior." Anyone can wear anything and still be promiscuous. Millions of fat girls do this every day.


    No, it's true. Generally speaking, the guy and gal at the bar with half a hundred notches on their bed posts are going to show at least some outward sign of it.
    Not always true. See above.


    It's true.
    It is utterly ridiculous to suggest that women should wear complete body/face coverings to avoid being raped. Are you for real? Really? I'm stunned.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

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    I've seen bits and pieces of it, well done movie.
    You should watch the whole thing. It's really a pretty good movie.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    If you're seriously trying to claim that most men do not make assumptions about the women they meet based upon their style of dress, you are simply out of touch with reality.
    again no need to roll your eyes cayse your argument is losing lol
    good grief you like making stuff up when you cant defend the BS you post dont you.
    does making things up usually work when you cant defend a stance?

    can you quote anywhere that i even HINTED of the nonsense you just made up? no you cant

    at least make it challenging for me to destroy your posts and again stop projecting.
    now back to the topic, when you are ready to be honest and back up your claims lets us know.
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    Anyway, it's late and I'm going to bed now, TTYL!

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Anyway, it's late and I'm going to bed now, TTYL!
    night, try not to wear anything to reveling when you go to bed dont want people just jumping through your window and attacking you
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Wrong again. Here it is. Read please.
    Yes, but that is referring to rape in general, not date rape. It does not specify anything whatsoever as far as clothing is concerned in relation to date rape, which was the original question.

    It doesn't matter. A date rapist is forcing himself upon his victim too. What are you talking about? Are you actually saying that a date rapist is a "normal guy?" Really Gathomas, you need to do some soul-searching I think.
    SO . . . you think a rapist is just a "normal dude." Is that what you're saying? That's really messed up stuff there.
    You're assuming that all of these guys are criminally insane geniuses who are "evil" from the ground up. I'm sorry, but there's simply no evidence to support that conclusion.

    That is the case for serial rapists. Don't get me wrong. However, by and large, date rapists tend to be a different breed all together.

    They might not be completely "normal guys," but that hardly means that they're Freddy Krueger either.

    Again, the boys in the Steubenville case had no prior history of "sociopathic" behavior, nor was there any indication that their assault was pre-meditated. They certainly haven't been clinically diagnosed as being "sociopaths" in the meantime either.

    I think you'll find that most date rape cases have far more in common with that than they do whatever exaggerated scenario you seem to be picturing in your head right now.

    LOL! Plenty of these women "get together" with men after hours Gathomas. They even have drinks with them after their shifts sometimes and even do sexual favors for money for them, so there are certainly opportunities for a rapist available. You are SO naive. Besides, I said "outside" of the club. They could still be raped in the parking lot, someone could wait in their vehicle, someone could follow them, multiple, multiple different scenarios.
    A) A lot of bouncers will escort the dancers out to their cars at the end of the night.

    B) There actually is evidence to suggest that strippers do make up a disproportionate number of rape victims.

    Exotic dancers face real dangers

    Research shows strippers make up a disproportionate share of rape victims, says Mary Anne Layden, a psychotherapist who counsels strippers, prostitutes and sex offenders. She says when a stripper allows a man to invade her visually, she inadvertently sends the message that it is OK to do physically.

    Kelly Holsopple, a former stripper, conducted a survey where she interviewed 18 strippers about strip club violence. Three of them said they’d had a customer force them to have intercourse. Five had had a customer grab their breasts at least once a day, and 13 had been punched or kicked by men associated with the club. More than half of the 18 had had customers follow them home.

    “Here’s a work environment that produces those types of experiences,” says Layden. “How many women do you know who are willing to work in jobs where they are slapped, bitten, called ‘****’ and ’whore’? Think about it. Strip clubs have bodyguards. The reason you have a bodyguard is because the activity produces violence.”


    Because some don't rely on "attractiveness" because they aren't really very attractive.

    Clothing choice is NOT a "behavior." Anyone can wear anything and still be promiscuous. Millions of fat girls do this every day.
    Oookay. Still though, generally speaking, fat girls aren't going to be the most promiscuous women at the bar. They're simply going to be the ones with the lowest standards.

    In scientific studies, high levels of promiscuity are usually strongly correlated with high levels of attractiveness.

    It's not an assumption. You are wrong period.
    I fail to see how.

    A lot of men (probably even most) will make certain assumptions about a woman's intentions based upon her dress.

    A lot of promiscuous women (again, probably even most) will dress the part.

    It is utterly ridiculous to suggest that women should wear complete body/face coverings to avoid being raped. Are you for real? Really? I'm stunned.
    I didn't say that they "should." I said that it "would." There was no value judgment, just a statement of fact.

    If you wanted to be completely and totally sure that men didn't have any sexual thoughts about women, the burqa would be the way to go.

    However, that being said, I don't see any reason why that would be necessary. Women can dress how they want so long as they are safe.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Anyway, it's late and I'm going to bed now, TTYL!
    Have a good one.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by AgentJ
    again no need to roll your eyes cayse your argument is losing lol
    good grief you like making stuff up when you cant defend the BS you post dont you.
    does making things up usually work when you cant defend a stance?

    can you quote anywhere that i even HINTED of the nonsense you just made up? no you cant

    at least make it challenging for me to destroy your posts and again stop projecting.
    now back to the topic, when you are ready to be honest and back up your claims lets us know.
    That was my claim regarding men's behavior. You stated that it was inaccurate.

    It's hardly my fault if you made a silly claim.

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    night, try not to wear anything to reveling when you go to bed dont want people just jumping through your window and attacking you

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Ok Gath, since your focus right now seems to be on date rape and college campuses, please tell me if you think this pic is provocative. The picture below is how most college and high school girls dress to parties. They are not wearing the type of bikini pic you posted, and that pic is not realistic unless the woman was on the boardwalk or the beach. If your gf went out with the girls, would you tell her to change b/c she might attract rapists?

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    If you're seriously trying to claim that most men do not make assumptions about the women they meet based upon their style of dress, you are simply out of touch with reality.
    You are right. Men and women do make assumptions based on other people's clothing,I give you that. However you seem to be veering off from the stance that even most men agreed with. It's one thing to say that dressing provocatively can bring unwanted attention, it's another thing to say things like(and I'm paraphrasing);

    ~Most rapists aren't sociopaths, they just got carried away
    ~Conservative women(dressed) are the least likely to be raped
    ~Men will look for the female that's dressed the most promiscous for sex-are you assuming that he won't stop if she says stop/no?
    ~If a woman dresses provocative she is signaling that she wants sex

    You do know that even conservative women have put on some heels and a nice skirt before right? Women don't just dress one way all the time. You may go out and see a lady wearing pants and a shirt one week, run into her a month later and she's wearing a short form fitting dress. Many times women dress how they feel. If it's a Sat night and a woman who normally dresses more conservative, decides to dress a tad more revealing, it shouldn't be a cue that she's on the prowl. Even if a woman is single and dresses sexy to get the attention of a man, it doesn't mean she wants to have sex that night!

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