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  • I suspect women are wearing revealing clothes in most rape cases

    1 0.98%
  • I suspect that a man/woman will rape regardless of the victims clothing

    28 27.45%
  • I think some women are inviting dangerous attention when wearing revealing attire

    6 5.88%
  • I don't think clothes have anything to do with rape

    56 54.90%
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    this definitely seems to be the case

    its the only logical excuse, its an attempt to justify ones on wrong thoughts/desires/feelings. Nothing else makes sense
    If you were familiar with his past postings on the topic of women's clothing, it is quite clear that he has some disdain for women who dress more provocatively.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    If you were familiar with his past postings on the topic of women's clothing, it is quite clear that he has some disdain for women who dress more provocatively.
    oh i familiar lol
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    This assumes that only women who attracted a date because of wearing skimpy or revealing clothing are date raped. That is a horrible assumption. Even many very conservatively dressed college women get dates and are in fact date raped. Their clothing choice has nothing to do with that.

    Do you think all women should go out of their way to always look frumpy? Because that is basically what you are saying in this assumption of yours, which makes very little sense by the way, because there would still be rape even if every single woman was completely covered head to toe.

    There is a huge difference between wearing revealing clothing or being scantily clad and making a spectacle of one's self. And you can't even show any sort of proof/evidence that a woman who makes a spectacle of herself is more likely to be raped than someone who is a bit more reserved in her attire.
    Maybe this is something of a "chicken and egg" kind of situation, but you really cannot deny that the women who most commonly tend to be date raped also tend to be the most irresponsible in their behavior. This can include a perception of generalized "slutiness."

    Their style of dress often does play a role in why they are considered to be such in the first place.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Rapes happen in the ME all the time and even in countries where the women wear burqas.
    Actually, it would be kind of interesting to compare and contrast their rates with our own.

    Date rape, I assume, would probably be almost unheard in most cases, simply because unrelated men and women spending time alone together tends to be a taboo.

    I'm not sure about violent rape, however.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    So she should have shown up to a regular house party dressed as a nun to avoid being raped? That doesn't make sense at all. First of all, there is little reason or chance that she would be at a house party, particularly bringing her own bottle of alcohol, dressed as a nun. Dressing in revealing clothing (which we still don't know what her clothing really was or how revealing it was compared to other girls there) has nothing to do with a woman's intent when it comes to sex at that particular time. Wishing to attract a guy's attention is nowhere near the same as telling them "I want to have sex with you", no matter what the girl/woman is doing to attract the guy's attention (save outright saying that, and I knew a woman who did this, she was also known to wear sleep clothes to a country bar on occasion and still took guys home that way because she basically was just looking to have sex).
    She was wearing tight short shorts and a tank top.

    In any case, I'm not suggesting that women should "dress like nuns." I'm simply suggesting that common sense would dictate that, when a woman dresses in a manner which tends to direct an untoward amount of sexual attention to her self, she often tends to invite men to make assumptions about her sexual intentions and proclivities.

    While this might not be guaranteed to attract a potential rapist's attention, it certainly would seem to increase one's odds of landing "on the radar."

    There is a huge difference between dressing conservatively and dressing like a nun.
    Exactly. There is also a huge difference between dressing attractively and dressing like a "slut."

    Women can do what they want in this regard, but I still find it highly unlikely that the latter approach does not attract a level of attention that can sometimes be problematic.
    Last edited by Gathomas88; 02-20-14 at 01:32 AM.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    What are you talking about? No one specified a "kind" of rape. We are talking about rape in general, and clothing plays a negligible role in rape, as has been shown to you time and time again.
    I have made it quite clear that I am not talking about all rapes, because clothing does not play a role in all rapes. It doesn't even play a role in most rapes. I am talking about the type of rapes (i.e. date rape, predominantly) where clothing actually can be said to have played a role in some cases.

    Why is this so hard to grasp?

    Just admit it Gathomas, YOU don't like that women dress provocatively.
    To the contrary, I love it when women dress provocatively.

    That does not, however; mean that it is a good idea under all circumstances.

    It's soooo stupid, because those guys are going to be angry no matter WHAT the woman is wearing.
    Who's angry?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    If you were familiar with his past postings on the topic of women's clothing, it is quite clear that he has some disdain for women who dress more provocatively.
    Name a single instance.
    Last edited by Gathomas88; 02-20-14 at 01:33 AM.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    You can't tell me that the behavior and style of dress of the girl in that case didn't play at least some role in giving her rapists the impression that it would be okay for them to "cop a feel" and take advantage after she passed out.
    When I was in high school if a girl who was passed out and someone tried to take advantage of the situation to rape her, they probably would have got beat to death. At the very least they would have got their ass kicked and been a social outcast forever after. They would have been beat down by several of us football players. Maybe even killed.

    I can't even fathom that someone would even try to pull some **** like that.

    It's rare that anyone would be that stupid.

    When I was a teen me and my brothers had huge parties with a lot of teen girls.

    When I was that age. My parents were divorced and they both worked 3rd shift, me and my brothers would have a huge party with a lot of drinking, drugs and loud music every Friday and Saturday night when I was in high school. We were the football stars.

    But by morning the house would be spic and span. A bunch of the more sober girls would get together and clean the entire house. Like 15 minutes before parents came home. There would be people passed out on the floor, and some cars parked in the front yard and on the street because some kids would get too drunk to drive home. But the inside of the house was super clean.

    It always amazed my how a small group of teenaged girls can completely clean an entire house. Less than 15 minutes.

    Lori was the leader of the bunch. She would bark out orders to the others. "jump!" "how high?"

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    If you got in their way they would run you over.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    I have made it quite clear that I am not talking about all rapes, because clothing does not play a role in all rapes. It doesn't even play a role in most rapes. I am talking about the type of rapes (i.e. date rape, predominantly) where clothing actually can be said to have played a role in some cases.

    Why is this so hard to grasp?
    Because it doesn't matter what the woman is wearing in that situation either. If the guy is a jerk enough to expect something and gets angry when he doesn't get it, it doesn't really matter what the woman is wearing at the time. Men don't NEED a woman to dress provocatively to want to have sex with her either. In fact, some men (like yourself) prefer women who dress more conservatively.

    To the contrary, I love it when women dress provocatively.

    That does not, however; mean that it is a good idea.
    You do not. You think that they're sluts and nothing more.



    Who's angry?
    The guy on the date in your scenario obviously.

    Name a single instance.
    Please Gathomas, there have been plenty of instances in which you speak derogatory about the way some women dress. Like on the clubbing thread a few months back for instance?

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    When I was in high school if a girl who was passed out and someone tried to take advantage of the situation to rape her, they probably would have got beat to death. At the very least they would have got their ass kicked and been a social outcast forever after. They would have been beat down by several of us football players. Maybe even killed.

    I can't even fathom that someone would even try to pull some **** like that.

    It's rare that anyone would be that stupid.

    When I was a teen me and my brothers had huge parties with a lot of teen girls.

    When I was that age. My parents were divorced and they both worked 3rd shift, me and my brothers would have a huge party with a lot of drinking, drugs and loud music every Friday and Saturday night when I was in high school. We were the football stars.

    But by morning the house would be spic and span. A bunch of the more sober girls would get together and clean the entire house. Like 15 minutes before parents came home. There would be people passed out on the floor, and some cars parked in the front yard and on the street because some kids would get too drunk to drive home. But the inside of the house was super clean.

    It always amazed my how a small group of teenaged girls can completely clean an entire house. Less than 15 minutes.

    Lori was the leader of the bunch. She would bark out orders to the others. "jump!" "how high?"

    Lori, Jodie, Shannon, Sil, Kristin and Tammy.

    If you got in their way they would run you over.
    I think it's really sad that more people don't do anything when a girl is being taken advantage like that. Those who sit and watch and don't do anything to try and stop it or AT LEAST call the police should be charged as accessories in some instances IMO.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    When I was in high school if a girl who was passed out and someone tried to take advantage of the situation to rape her, they probably would have got beat to death. At the very least they would have got their ass kicked and been a social outcast forever after. They would have been beat down by several of us football players. Maybe even killed.

    I can't even fathom that someone would even try to pull some **** like that.

    It's rare that anyone would be that stupid.

    When I was a teen me and my brothers had huge parties with a lot of teen girls.

    When I was that age. My parents were divorced and they both worked 3rd shift, me and my brothers would have a huge party with a lot of drinking, drugs and loud music every Friday and Saturday night when I was in high school. We were the football stars.

    But by morning the house would be spic and span. A bunch of the more sober girls would get together and clean the entire house. Like 15 minutes before parents came home. There would be people passed out on the floor, and some cars parked in the front yard and on the street because some kids would get too drunk to drive home. But the inside of the house was super clean.

    It always amazed my how a small group of teenaged girls can completely clean an entire house. Less than 15 minutes.

    Lori was the leader of the bunch. She would bark out orders to the others. "jump!" "how high?"

    Lori, Jodie, Shannon, Sil, Kristin and Tammy.

    If you got in their way they would run you over.
    I really can't imagine why anyone would actively cheer them on in doing it. What are we? A bunch of damn barbarians?

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    What's passive rape? Is that like, as opposed to a particularly brutal rape? If there's some scale of severity, is there some point at which there is no rape, even in the event of non-consensual sexual contact? I believe there's some implied contradiction there. Likewise, even if it ties in with your next point about drug-facilitated sexual assault. In the latter case, how do you reconcile your insistence of rape as a power play with the lack of any degradation requiring conscious awareness? Further, offender testimony doesn't equate with psychiatry, which in any case constitutes no empirical baseline. Nor does it allow for rejection of opportunism. Since you mention frequency in criminological terms, it amounts to no more than statistical probability; this being something that falls some way short of psychiatric analysis, which in itself is moot.
    Passive rape, like drugging, taking advantage of someone when they are passed out without consent, it doesn't involve force. The key element is the taking of the other person's choice in whether or not to have intercourse, it is power either way. If a person goes the passive route they are still exhibiting a control over the other person, the power to say no is taken away from them.


    This is all still entirely speculative. You've no way of predicting how trauma might be perceived and processed from one individual to another. What you or I might dismiss as being mildly disturbing could drive another to suicide.
    I've known a few women who were raped, the majority of those I knew were never the same including trust issues, sometimes anger, almost always nightmares, and damage to their self confidence, other accounts from victims I did not know in just about everything I've ever read speak to similar trauma.

    As for the warlord example, you make admission of situational and cultural biases. These being at odds with any universal application that the 'power' brigade seem intent upon claiming. After all the thread's deflective free-association, we're still left with the sexual component as being the one and only necessity for qualification. No agenda necessary.
    It is done to demoralize the other faction, the men and the women of opposition forces/tribes/ethnic groups. Rape done in a militarized sense is indeed a power play.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Passive rape, like drugging, taking advantage of someone when they are passed out without consent, it doesn't involve force. The key element is the taking of the other person's choice in whether or not to have intercourse, it is power either way. If a person goes the passive route they are still exhibiting a control over the other person, the power to say no is taken away from them.


    I've known a few women who were raped, the majority of those I knew were never the same including trust issues, sometimes anger, almost always nightmares, and damage to their self confidence, other accounts from victims I did not know in just about everything I've ever read speak to similar trauma.

    It is done to demoralize the other faction, the men and the women of opposition forces/tribes/ethnic groups. Rape done in a militarized sense is indeed a power play.
    I've heard about the mass rapes in Rwanda. I've read some really horrific stories about them, really terrible and brutal things that you don't even want to THINK about. No denying that there is absolutely NOTHING sexual about that. It is more like a physical and psychological torture.

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