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  • I suspect women are wearing revealing clothes in most rape cases

    1 0.98%
  • I suspect that a man/woman will rape regardless of the victims clothing

    28 27.45%
  • I think some women are inviting dangerous attention when wearing revealing attire

    6 5.88%
  • I don't think clothes have anything to do with rape

    56 54.90%
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    If a person leaves $500 on top of their car in a high crime neighborhood and his money gets stolen, that person did not commit a crime. Was that person being stupid? Yes. Does the person stealing the money deserve to go to prison? Yes. Does the person having the money stolen deserve to go to prison? No. Does the person having the money stolen deserve to have their money stolen? Yes.
    Yet there are a lot of people who would argue, in this context, that the person who left the money on their car not only didn't deserve to have their money stolen, they were totally and completely innocent of having anything whatsoever to do with having it stolen.

    That's an issue.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Just seems that the assumption with a few posters is that the female is either dressing slutty or acting slutty in most rape cases.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by herenow1 View Post
    Just seems that the assumption with a few posters is that the female is either dressing slutty or acting slutty in most rape cases.
    No, there's no assumption at all. We're saying that *IF* either of those is the case, that's something the woman should not have done, period. Most rapes are a crime of opportunity, but given two women who are equally opportune, one dressed like a slut and the other not, the one dressed like the slut is probably more likely to be selected than the one who is not. I'm not sure why this is so hard for people to understand.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    No, there's no assumption at all. We're saying that *IF* either of those is the case, that's something the woman should not have done, period. Most rapes are a crime of opportunity, but given two women who are equally opportune, one dressed like a slut and the other not, the one dressed like the slut is probably more likely to be selected than the one who is not. I'm not sure why this is so hard for people to understand.
    I guess that would be my first thought process too.. if I didn't know other rape victims who were wearing ''everyday'' clothes, or if I myself was only targeted for the way I was dressed. I will teach my daughter not to dress in a provocative manner for reasons such as;''People might not take you seriously''
    -''People may misjudge you'', but it won't be b/c ''you can get raped''. It will be a self respect issue, b/c girls, young women, old women are targets b/c of our gender first!

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by herenow1 View Post
    Just seems that the assumption with a few posters is that the female is either dressing slutty or acting slutty in most rape cases.
    As I said before, I don't it is a factor in most rapes. I simply think that it can contribute to a woman's chances of being assaulted in certain environments, and that women should be careful to moderate their behavior in those kinds of environments as such.

    If nothing else, provocative clothing tends to draw a lot of attention to a person. There is always a risk that the attention in question might come from someone potentially dangerous.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It's all part of acting in a safe manner. It's not bringing attention to yourself. It's staying out of dangerous situations. It's not placing yourself into a position where you are at risk. Sometimes, you have no idea where you are at risk, but your own behavior is always under your control. It's like women who go out in skimpy outfits to boisterous bars and get drunk and then can't understand why they get raped or attacked or mugged or whatever. Well duh, look at the position you put yourself in!
    But those outfits are no more likely to bring a woman unwanted attention than other outfits. It is the actions after the attention comes that can cause the problems (not that any rape victim should be blamed for her actions should a rape occur, no matter how immature or unsafe anyone thinks she was acting). It doesn't matter what you wear when it comes to gaining the wrong attention. That is simply a myth. I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of rape victims are not actually dressed in skimpy clothes at all.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    If a person leaves $500 on top of their car in a high crime neighborhood and his money gets stolen, that person did not commit a crime. Was that person being stupid? Yes. Does the person stealing the money deserve to go to prison? Yes. Does the person having the money stolen deserve to go to prison? No. Does the person having the money stolen deserve to have their money stolen? Yes.

    Getting a ten year prison sentence is not the same as an asshole saying, "She was asking for it."

    Laws are usually made based upon what works to increase safety. Laws aren't made so that politicians can prove how nice they sound when giving a speech. Requiring all people to speak nicely is a pointless goal. It accomplishes two things. Jack and squat.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Yet there are a lot of people who would argue, in this context, that the person who left the money on their car not only didn't deserve to have their money stolen, they were totally and completely innocent of having anything whatsoever to do with having it stolen.

    That's an issue.
    None of which makes theft OK either.


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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    But those outfits are no more likely to bring a woman unwanted attention than other outfits. It is the actions after the attention comes that can cause the problems (not that any rape victim should be blamed for her actions should a rape occur, no matter how immature or unsafe anyone thinks she was acting). It doesn't matter what you wear when it comes to gaining the wrong attention. That is simply a myth. I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of rape victims are not actually dressed in skimpy clothes at all.
    I'm sorry, but I simply refuse to believe that. It stinks to high heaven of politically correct confirmation bias.

    I wouldn't walk through a bad neighborhood in a tux, I wouldn't travel around a foreign country unfriendly to the United States in uniform, and I sure as Hell wouldn't enter a gay club in assless chaps. If a woman has even a lick of sense, she will observe the same kinds of precautions when it comes to environments that have the potential to attract female-specifc sexual predators, or, failing that, take some rather stringent precautions to ensure her safety even in spite of the attention grabbing clothing she has chosen to wear.

    Anything less is simply tempting fate.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    None of which makes theft OK either.
    Nope, but nobody claimed it did either.
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