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  • I suspect women are wearing revealing clothes in most rape cases

    1 0.98%
  • I suspect that a man/woman will rape regardless of the victims clothing

    28 27.45%
  • I think some women are inviting dangerous attention when wearing revealing attire

    6 5.88%
  • I don't think clothes have anything to do with rape

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Perhaps you should read exactly what I posted, since you want to address such a question toward me and this particular post. I never once mentioned anything about power, but especially not it being the only reason for rape in that post. Nor would I. I think it is absolutely the main reason for most rape, but that has nothing to do with what I posted. I was posting on a comment made about opportunity. I don't think opportunity is the most important factor in rape, even date rape. Plenty of people have opportunities throughout their lives to rape a person. There has to be something more that causes them to actually rape someone they see or are dating or just went on a date with, something more than opportunity. In many cases, if not most, I'd say that it has to do with some sense of power they gain from doing it. Perhaps it is also a thrill. I don't really know what runs through the minds of every single rapist. What I do know is that the average person does not take advantage of someone and have sex with them, when they know the person doesn't want to have sex just because there is a possible opportunity to do it.
    So far as I understood your post, you were pointing out that not everyone commits rape simply because the opportunity presents itself. Of course there must be intent. Who would dispute that?

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    " no" means " yes" for many creepies .what else can l say hehehe
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    True. No means no, and it is always ultimately the lady's choice. I would never even dream of suggesting anything otherwise.

    At the same time, however; there are provocative behaviors (and even clothing styles) that it would be a good idea for women to avoid under certain circumstances.

    Going to back to Herenow1's gay rape example, for instance; I would never go to a gay club by myself. I would absolutely never wear clothing that someone could interpret as sending "F-me" vibes (keep in mind that we're talking about clearly over the top here, not just "looking nice") at such an establishment, and I wouldn't allow a gay guy to buy me drinks all night, and then let him walk me home alone afterwards.
    Okay, but this is because, clearly, you are NOT gay. At a heterosexual bar, I'm quite SURE that you try to look really nice, probably put on some cologne to smell nice for the ladies?

    Would I be "asking for it" under those circumstances? No.

    However, I would certainly be making a potential rapist's job a Hell of a lot easier.
    I don't think rapists let clothing get in their way or stop them in most instances.



    Yea... This is one of those subjects where there's just no winning, it seems.
    Well, I really do think that clothing plays little part in whether a person is at risk of being raped or not.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    So far as I understood your post, you were pointing out that not everyone commits rape simply because the opportunity presents itself. Of course there must be intent. Who would dispute that?
    You seemed to be. Opportunity is always available for anyone willing to rape another person. Even having sex with another person is almost always an option for the vast majority of people. The opportunity to have sex with someone is not the main thing that leads to rape. It can't be. And that was what I was responding to in the post of mine you quoted, that opportunity was not a major factor in date rape because we would have much more of it if it were.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post


    ................................Yea... This is one of those subjects where there's just no winning, it seems. ....................

    Ya' think???

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    You seemed to be. Opportunity is always available for anyone willing to rape another person. Even having sex with another person is almost always an option for the vast majority of people. The opportunity to have sex with someone is not the main thing that leads to rape. It can't be. And that was what I was responding to in the post of mine you quoted, that opportunity was not a major factor in date rape because we would have much more of it if it were.
    Well, I would think that we're restricting our observations to rapists. Is that not the point of the thread?

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    .

    Going to back to Herenow1's gay rape example, for instance; I would never go to a gay club by myself. I would absolutely never wear clothing that someone could interpret as sending "F-me" vibes :


    Those Buttless chaps looked innocent enough when I tried them on, but.........
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    Well, I would think that we're restricting our observations to rapists. Is that not the point of the thread?
    We actually are discussing how clothing may be viewed as rapists. If you can't see that rapists are people and comparing rapists to non-rapists provides a way to determine what could motivate rapists to take those opportunities when non-rapists, in the same situations wouldn't, then that is a problem. Plenty of women go to bars dressed in some really skimpy clothing and pick up all sorts of men, some even take them home or go to a hotel with them and still aren't raped if they change their mind about sex and say no. Why? Because they didn't go with someone willing to rape them if they did say no.

    Now, I'm aware that there are some gray areas here, where the "no" really wasn't clear or turned into a "yes" without (forceful) coercion but still with regrets sometimes. But I am talking about definitive times when the person said no and that was ignored altogether because the rapist didn't care.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    We actually are discussing how clothing may be viewed as rapists. If you can't see that rapists are people and comparing rapists to non-rapists provides a way to determine what could motivate rapists to take those opportunities when non-rapists, in the same situations wouldn't, then that is a problem. Plenty of women go to bars dressed in some really skimpy clothing and pick up all sorts of men, some even take them home or go to a hotel with them and still aren't raped if they change their mind about sex and say no. Why? Because they didn't go with someone willing to rape them if they did say no.

    Now, I'm aware that there are some gray areas here, where the "no" really wasn't clear or turned into a "yes" without (forceful) coercion but still with regrets sometimes. But I am talking about definitive times when the person said no and that was ignored altogether because the rapist didn't care.
    I take no issue with the clothing argument, as I reject it outright as even being relevant as a motive.

    As for your last point, I make no attempt to equivocate here, either.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Okay, but this is because, clearly, you are NOT gay. At a heterosexual bar, I'm quite SURE that you try to look really nice, probably put on some cologne to smell nice for the ladies?
    Well, yea.

    However, that's kind of the point. Giving off the impression that you want to sleep with someone, when you really don't, can be a dangerous game to play.

    Sure, some guys are going to get that impression regardless of how a woman happens to dress or behave, and most will simply take "no" for an answer if a woman says that she is not interested. However, by the same token, we both know that there are some women out there who like to play games and "tease" men in this regard deliberately, and that there are some men who are not so keen on hearing the word "no."

    Unfortunately, it simply happens to be the case that the latter type of woman and the latter type of man will occasionally run afoul of one another under just the wrong circumstances. This can sometimes wind up leading to trouble.

    This doesn't make those women "responsible" for what happened by any means. The fault clearly lies with the rapist.

    I also do not think that such circumstances account for anything even remotely resembling a majority of rape cases.

    However, it cannot really be denied that those women who do find themselves getting into trouble this way ultimately did play a role in making themselves vulnerable to victimization in the first place. That's exactly why those kinds of behaviors should be avoided, or pursued in such a way as to minimize risk, in the first place.

    I don't think rapists let clothing get in their way or stop them in most instances.
    Of course not. If a man is determined to rape, he is going to rape.

    I do think there are cases where clothing can play a minor role in target selection or exacerbating a misunderstanding that escalates into something more. However, as you said earlier, environment and behavior ultimately play a much larger role than clothing.

    Well, I really do think that clothing plays little part in whether a person is at risk of being raped or not.
    I think it contributes in some cases. It is almost never the major factor involved though.

    We are more or less in agreement on this particular issue, actually.
    Last edited by Gathomas88; 02-19-14 at 12:36 PM.

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