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Rape and Clothing

Rape and clothing correlation

  • I suspect women are wearing revealing clothes in most rape cases

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I suspect that a man/woman will rape regardless of the victims clothing

    Votes: 24 26.4%
  • I think some women are inviting dangerous attention when wearing revealing attire

    Votes: 5 5.5%
  • I don't think clothes have anything to do with rape

    Votes: 52 57.1%
  • Other

    Votes: 10 11.0%

  • Total voters
    91
legally you are correct

but if the man said she consented and she says she did not, the trier of fact must uses collective common sense to determine who was telling the truth. And if a woman said she had no intention of taking a guy home for sex yet there he is and witnesses testify she was dressed as if she was trying to pick up men, that will weigh heavily in the jury's determination

If witnesses are allowed to testify over what the woman was wearing then the woman has a really ****ty lawyer and/or lives in a really ****ty state.

What a woman is wearing doesn't make a man rape her, the man being a scumbag and/or evil and/or having severe psychological issues concerning a need for power and control is what makes him rape her. A good man would never do that regardless of what she was wearing.
 
I would say that getting inebriated and passing out at a party full of men is putting oneself at risk, but it still doesn't equal "responsibility" for the crime committed against that person IMO. It means she was stupid and made a really bad decision, but I still wouldn't hold her responsible for the actions of another person against her.
 
My mother gave me really great advise when I was a kid. She said, everyone has a choice when it comes to what they say and do. It is one of the few things we have it completely within our ability to control. Therefore, because it is always a choice the author of those words or that action is completely responsible. Even having a conversation where women accept blame for that act would allow the shift in responsibility to be made towards her and that is not acceptable.
 
Because you don't give up your freedom for security!

With regard to the risk of being raped? No.

I'm a man, and a somewhat larger than average one at that. I sort of "lucked out" on that one. :shrug:

However, that doesn't mean that there aren't scenarios in which I wouldn't want to draw attention to myself, or that there aren't certain situations I know that it'd be a good idea to try and avoid.

When I'm traveling in a foreign country by myself, for instance, do you think I wear my Army uniform?

I think BEHAVIOR plays much more of a role in date rape or other rapes than what a woman is wearing at the time. A woman can be wearing next to nothing, but if she doesn't allow herself to be put into a spot where she is vulnerable, then she more than likely would not even get raped. Another woman could be wearing a darn snowsuit, but if she goes off ALONE with some stranger, THEN she is putting herself at risk I would agree. It's NOT the clothing though unless you put yourself at risk to begin with.

Yes, which is why I said it could be a "contributing factor" for rape under some circumstances. I didn't say that it was the only, or primary factor.

You tell them how to be smart while they are out.

Part of that involves not wearing revealing clothing that is only going to attract unwanted attention in dangerous environments.

I don't think that is a valid defense because people have smartened up thankfully.

I didn't say that it was. I said that it was a defense rapists themselves liked to use.
 
Who cares?

People are raped because sick people rape them...the common denominator is a lack of mental health on the part of the attacker, not a lack of conservative clothing on the part of the victim.

/ thread.
 
With regard to the risk of being raped? No.

I'm a man, and a somewhat larger than average one at that. I sort of "lucked out" on that one. :shrug:

However, that doesn't mean that there aren't scenarios in which I wouldn't want to draw attention to myself, or that there aren't certain situations I know that it'd be a good idea to try and avoid.

When I'm traveling in a foreign country by myself, for instance, do you think I wear my Army uniform?



Yes, which is why I said it could be a "contributing factor" under some circumstances. I didn't say that it was the only, or primary factor.



Part of that involves not wearing revealing clothing that is only going to attract unwanted attention in dangerous environments.



I didn't say that it was. I said that it was a defense rapists themselves liked to use.

Dangerous environments? Do you think most rapes here in the US occur in "dangerous environments?" And what are these dangerous environments? Night clubs? Somebody's home? Walking down the street?
 
I think that sometimes women do stupid things that might put themselves at greater risk, yes; but so has everyone at one point or another in their lives, and that in no way excuses the rape. There is NO excuse. It is a crime and violation of another person. I don't care what the person did. I can't think of ONE situation in which I would actually "blame" the woman for a man's decision to rape her.

You're stuck on the "excusing rape" part. Remove that part from your mind. Except for an unfortunate two or three individuals on DP, nobody is actually seriously suggesting that the rapist in any sense would be excused.
 
Since posters are getting upset that the yoga thread keeps getting derailed I will ask this here. Do you think most (true cases- not made up, let's not turn this into he said she said discussion) people who get raped are wearing revealing clothing?

no and that is a stupid statement.
Rape is a crime of power not attraction.

But let's say they do. Let's pretend that it is true. It would matter not at all. That would be blaming the victim.
 
You're stuck on the "excusing rape" part. Remove that part from your mind. Except for an unfortunate two or three individuals on DP, nobody is actually seriously suggesting that the rapist in any sense would be excused.

Well, didn't you ask the question about responsibility? No I would not hold the victim "responsible" in any event when she was attacked against her will. Like I said, she might have made a bad decision, but who hasn't?
 
Activities and stupid decisions, yes. Manner of dress? No, not if you're smart.

Of course. It is a combination of things.

A woman can be as sexual as she wants if she knows she has friends nearby to "back her up" if things get out of hand.
 
I would say that getting inebriated and passing out at a party full of men is putting oneself at risk, but it still doesn't equal "responsibility" for the crime committed against that person IMO. It means she was stupid and made a really bad decision, but I still wouldn't hold her responsible for the actions of another person against her.

What isn't fair is that it's "stupid" for a girl to do it, and just "party hardy" for a dude to do it. Worse that might happen to a dude passed out on the couch of a frat house is he gets permanent marker on his face. All fun and games.

For girl?

Her lapse of judgement can, and often does, lead to far worse repercussions.
 
Should the person raped, sex aside, have to wear the same type of clothing in Court as they did when they are raped?
Female parents of female teenagers tell me yes .
 
Dangerous environments? Do you think most rapes here in the US occur in "dangerous environments?" And what are these dangerous environments? Night clubs? Somebody's home? Walking down the street?

Frat houses. Dorm rooms. Parks.







You know, dangerous places.
 
Well, didn't you ask the question about responsibility? No I would not hold the victim "responsible" in any event when she was attacked against her will. Like I said, she might have made a bad decision, but who hasn't?

Well, that's all I'm saying. It's perfectly acceptable to say that without excusing the rapist.
 
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What isn't fair is that it's "stupid" for a girl to do it, and just "party hardy" for a dude to do it. Worse that might happen to a dude passed out on the couch of a frat house is he gets permanent marker on his face. All fun and games.

For girl?

Her lapse of judgement can, and often does, lead to far worse repercussions.

Well, yea. It's horrible.

However, it's also not going to change. It is what it is. :shrug:

If women want to be safe if that environment, they need to take precautions.
 
There's several different kinds of rape, and different kinds of rapists. I think this discussion would be better served to differentiate between them.
 
Of course. It is a combination of things.

A woman can be as sexual as she wants if she knows she has friends nearby to "back her up" if things get out of hand.

And what kind of clothing are we talking about here? Because you're idea of "revealing clothing" and someone else's idea of revealing clothing might be two different things. I have the feeling that you would consider something as mundane as a miniskirt to be "revealing."
 
Dangerous environments? Do you think most rapes here in the US occur in "dangerous environments?" And what are these dangerous environments? Night clubs? Somebody's home? Walking down the street?

Frat houses. Dorm rooms. Parks.

You know, dangerous places.

Yup, yup.

Depending on the time of day, the size of the group the girl is with, and how vulnerable / appealing a target she happens to appear, of course.
 
Yup, yup.

Depending on the time of day, the size of the group the girl is with, and how vulnerable / appealing a target she happens to appear, of course.

So basically ANY place could be a "danger" zone. It's really dependent upon where the rapist is and has nothing to do with the female victim.
 
And what kind of clothing are we talking about here? Because you're idea of "revealing clothing" and someone else's idea of revealing clothing might be two different things. I have the feeling that you would consider something as mundane as a miniskirt to be "revealing."

Any clothing designed to draw an extreme amount of sexual attention would qualify; especially the kind that generally isn't considered to be especially "classy."

Again, however; clothing alone isn't going to play the major role anyway so much as behavior and circumstances. It simply has a tendency to lead to profiling which may draw the attention of a rapist or exacerbate a misunderstanding with a man who has the potential to be a rapist.
 
I know I've also heard of rapists who target victims based on OTHER factors, such as hair color, size, etc. I've heard that Ted Bundy had a preference for petite brunettes.
 
A Female Mom gave this good one today.
A boy with five girls is a hero.
A girl with five boys is a slut. (especially in Rush's vocab)

How do you want your freshman teenaged girl marked for life next year?
You know what they say about 1st impressions .
 
So basically ANY place could be a "danger" zone. It's really dependent upon where the rapist is and has nothing to do with the female victim.

The woman's role in all of this is to not make herself into the kind of "soft target" that a rapist, or a potential rapist, might want to approach in the first place.

Clothing can play a role in this, but it is far from the sole or most important factor.
 
Any clothing designed to draw an extreme amount of sexual attention would qualify; especially the kind that generally isn't considered to be especially "classy."

Again, however; clothing alone isn't going to play the major role anyway so much as behavior and circumstances. It just has the potential to lead to profiling which may draw the attention of a rapist or exacerbate a misunderstanding with a man who has the potential to be a rapist.

I don't think that is most rapists' MO. IT is a crime of opportunity in the vast majority of cases.
 
The woman's role in all of this is to not make herself into the kind of "soft target" that a rapist, or a potential rapist, might want to approach in the first place.

Clothing can play a role in this, but it is far from the sole or most important factor.

This pisses me OFF to no end!

You are actually saying that women should not have FREEDOM of clothing choice.
 
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