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  • I suspect women are wearing revealing clothes in most rape cases

    1 0.98%
  • I suspect that a man/woman will rape regardless of the victims clothing

    28 27.45%
  • I think some women are inviting dangerous attention when wearing revealing attire

    6 5.88%
  • I don't think clothes have anything to do with rape

    56 54.90%
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Monserrat View Post
    Ummm... no. It's not a misunderstanding if a women does not consent if he still rapes her it's not because of what she wore or how she acted. It's all on him, he has the problem and it usually has to do with issues of power and control.
    Again, believe that if you want.

    In practical reality, on the other hand, things are almost never that simple. If a woman's wearing her best pair of booty shorts, spends the whole evening grinding said booty shorts up against some guy's crotch, lets him get her drunk while doing so, follows him to a secluded area afterwards, and then finds herself in an altercation at the end of the night when she says "no" and he tries to press the matter anyway, it cannot be denied that her poor choices ultimately did play a role in allowing the situation to escalate to that point.

    Does that make the man's actions any less wrong? Nope. He should be fried like the rapist scum he is.

    However, this doesn't alter the reality that it is very much in a woman's best interests to avoid the kinds of behaviors and situations which might result in her being victimized in the first place.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    It's not about clothing. If she was dressing provocatively, it means that she was asking for it. No rape.
    "Dressing provocatively" is open to interpretation, and is quite frankly, a cop-out. If she says no, she's not asking for it, and it is a rape, regardless of your feelings about how she's dressed.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by herenow1 View Post
    Since posters are getting upset that the yoga thread keeps getting derailed I will ask this here. Do you think most (true cases- not made up, let's not turn this into he said she said discussion) people who get raped are wearing revealing clothing?
    No.

    What's revealing clothing, anyway? Clothing meant to be appealing is the appropriate phrasing. Most people have no clue what another person was wearing when things happened. It's usually circumstantial and doesn't matter as MOST rapes aren't 'I was in my most whorish outfit in an alley alone in the middle of the night and some strange man attacked me' - no - most rapes happen in familiar surroundings and usually the perp is someone the victim knows in some sense.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by herenow1 View Post
    Since posters are getting upset that the yoga thread keeps getting derailed I will ask this here. Do you think most (true cases- not made up, let's not turn this into he said she said discussion) people who get raped are wearing revealing clothing?
    None of the above.

    I suspect it plays a role sometimes when the victim is a victim of opportunity. Under certain conditions, yes, clothing, or lack there of, will draw unwanted attention and yes, sometimes that attention spills over into adverse actions. A woman who dresses a certain way can be perceived as being a "slut", whether she is or not, and some guys don't expect or take "no" from sluts.

    But since a lot of rapes are committed where the victim knows the rapist, in those cases clothing has absolutely nothing to do with it. It happens because of the perpetrators obsession with the victim.

    In yet other cases, clothing and perceived attitude coupled with flirtation can push someone with low self control over the edge. This is the teaching the "cock-tease" a lesson type rapes.

    In the "don't take no from a slut", "teach the cock-tease a lesson" rapes and some others, alcohol/drugs are quite often involved and some substances are known to reduce self control.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    legally you are correct

    but if the man said she consented and she says she did not, the trier of fact must uses collective common sense to determine who was telling the truth. And if a woman said she had no intention of taking a guy home for sex yet there he is and witnesses testify she was dressed as if she was trying to pick up men, that will weigh heavily in the jury's determination
    Are they allowed to consider what she was wearing as a factor? I thought that kind of evidence was not allowed in a rape trial because it makes it as if the VICTIM is on trial instead of the accused.

    Personally, I don't think it has anything to do with what she is wearing. I've only ever heard of ONE case where clothing played a role, and that was a guy who was going around raping women who wore skirts (not just mini skirts - ANY skirts). That was in another country I think but not sure.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Again, believe that if you want.

    In practical reality, on the other hand, things are almost never that simple. If a woman's wearing her best pair of booty shorts, spends the whole evening grinding said booty shorts up against some guy's crotch, lets him get her drunk while doing so, follows him to a secluded area afterwards, and then finds herself in an altercation at the end of the night when she says "no" and he tries to press the matter anyway, it cannot be denied that her poor choices ultimately did play a role in allowing the situation to escalate to that point.

    Does that make the man's actions any less wrong? Nope. He should be fried like the rapist scum he is.

    However, this doesn't alter the reality that it is very much in a woman's best interests to avoid the kinds of behaviors and situations which might result in her being victimized in the first place.
    What you described is a crime of opportunity. It didn't have to do with her clothing. If she was wearing jeans and T-shirt in your scenario, would the rape not have happened?

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    What you described is a crime of opportunity. It didn't have to do with her clothing. If she was wearing jeans and T-shirt in your scenario, would the rape not have happened?
    How is that a "crime of opportunity?" Rape and Clothing-wtf-gif

    It would seem to be more a case of a man not taking "no" for an answer from a woman that he perceived to simply be leading him on. While it might not have been the sole factor involved, her style of dress did contribute to that.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    How is that a "crime of opportunity?" Rape and Clothing-wtf-gif

    It would seem to be more a case of a man not taking "no" for an answer from a woman that he perceived to simply be leading him on. Her style of dress did contribute to that.
    She was with him for the entire night, dancing with him, allowing him to buy her drinks and then followed him to a secluded location. THAT is a crime of opportunity, and if she was wearing a T-shirt with jeans, it still would happen.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by herenow1 View Post
    Since posters are getting upset that the yoga thread keeps getting derailed I will ask this here. Do you think most (true cases- not made up, let's not turn this into he said she said discussion) people who get raped are wearing revealing clothing?
    There can't be a 100% correct opinion here. Like others here I generally think clothes are not singularly the cause of rape.. but clothes might sometimes be an additional factor. Since I am not of that mental/emotional ilk my thoughts are no more than a SWAG ( Scientific Wild Ass Guess ). This is one time I don't have an anecdotal story.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    How is that a "crime of opportunity?" Rape and Clothing-wtf-gif

    It would seem to be more a case of a man not taking "no" for an answer from a woman that he perceived to simply be leading him on. Her style of dress did contribute to that.
    Christ almighty!! If what you said was true, only women dressed scantily would be getting raped, and ONLY attractive ones. THAT is certainly far from being the case. Ugly women, fat women, dirty women, homeless women, drug-addled women have also been victims of rape. It has really nothing to do with her appearance whatsoever in MOST cases. Most of the time it is a crime of opportunity.

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