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  • I suspect women are wearing revealing clothes in most rape cases

    1 0.98%
  • I suspect that a man/woman will rape regardless of the victims clothing

    28 27.45%
  • I think some women are inviting dangerous attention when wearing revealing attire

    6 5.88%
  • I don't think clothes have anything to do with rape

    56 54.90%
  • Other

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    It's not the clothes. It's not power.

    Opportunism, pure and simple.
    Actually, criminologists have proven that it is in fact about control(i.e. power). Through years of profiling the criminological community has found that most rapists came from backgrounds that gave them no control of their situations, be that an absentee or overly controlling parent, raped themselves during childhood, or even psychological problems but no matter which way you look at it the act of forcible rape is a power play and not engaged for gratification. The idea behind any legal statute on rape is inability to give consent, so forcible would be a rape/battery, statutory comes from the fact that a minor cannot legally consent to a sex act with an adult, and other rapes such as drugging or other forms of less aggressive rape all stem from the same concept, no consent from the victim.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    This quote is always trotted out whenever a discussion of rape takes place, and I always find it ridiculous. There are many ways to demonstrate power and control over someone, rape is only one of them. So to say that rape is not about sex at all is just silly. It may also be about power and control, but it's at least partly about sex.
    The thing about the "power play" aspect of rape is this: Controlling behavior takes many forms all the way from forcing your will upon someone by having a higher standing(subordination, think abusive boss), to spousal abuse, to manipulative behavior, intimidation, etc. but nothing is more personal than physically and mentally violating someone.

    Physical attacks like beating someone into submission are a controlling behavior, but those bruises and cuts heal, may scar, but they heal. Taking a person's dignity is a much more permanent thing, violating a person to the point that you've been intimate with them in that sense is as bad as abuse gets, and it's a lifetime thing. I agree with the criminologists I've interacted with who have said without a doubt that rape is the ultimate in controlling behavior, it is a permanent scar left on the victim, and it really is among the most disgusting things one person can do to another.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    What you described is a crime of opportunity. It didn't have to do with her clothing. If she was wearing jeans and T-shirt in your scenario, would the rape not have happened?
    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    How is that a "crime of opportunity?" Attachment 67162272

    It would seem to be more a case of a man not taking "no" for an answer from a woman that he perceived to simply be leading him on. While it might not have been the sole factor involved, her style of dress did contribute to that.
    All crime is based off of opportunity, for instance, if an attacker observes me at 5'10" and 195lbs. of mostly muscle or a guy who is 5"5" 95lbs. he will choose the smaller guy. If a person is intent on armed robbery they will choose the least secure premises/person rather than a path that would lead to being stopped. Rape, and all other crimes all follow the same pattern, most gain with least consequence.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Again, not all rapes start with the man having the deliberate intention to rape his victim. The lines occasionally blur after the fact, which might result in the rape being more of a crime of passion.

    In any case, the reality that suggestive clothing often plays a role in how men profile women isn't up for debate. It is a self-evident fact.

    Do you really think that the kind of men who would be inclined to rape women are going to ignore this?



    Do we really have to do this again, Chris?

    We just finished one of these bitchfests in that other thread about Yoga pants only yesterday!
    Cannot disagree more here. A man(not just a male) must expect the best of standards of himself, this includes impulse control. I don't care if I'm on "the edge" the second a woman changes her mind that is that, if she says no and isn't role playing then the moment is over, that's just part of being a man.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I think that sometimes women do stupid things that might put themselves at greater risk, yes; but so has everyone at one point or another in their lives, and that in no way excuses the rape. There is NO excuse. It is a crime and violation of another person. I don't care what the person did. I can't think of ONE situation in which I would actually "blame" the woman for a man's decision to rape her.
    It's subjects like these that make me more determined than ever to teach the girl I'm talking to and her daughter the dirty shots they need to completely **** up an attacker's day. I would much rather they be on trial for completely decimating a potential rapist than being harmed.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I would say that getting inebriated and passing out at a party full of men is putting oneself at risk, but it still doesn't equal "responsibility" for the crime committed against that person IMO. It means she was stupid and made a really bad decision, but I still wouldn't hold her responsible for the actions of another person against her.
    Personal story, I considered pledging my local chapter of Sigma Alpha Epsilon during college because their charter stated they were the "gentleman's fraternity" and later found out they were drugging women at the parties and molesting them, I was absolutely appalled and at the same time glad my good name wasn't associated with that.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    I'd say a chicks odds of running into a would be rapist is much higher at a college party than in a scary looking unlit parking lot or whatever.
    Depends. Predators always look for a weakness, abusers are adept at knowing which type of woman will put up with their ****, whereas a rapist who is willing to drug a victim will pick an opportunity such as a college party, a rapist more willing to engage in forcible rape wants a dark alley, unlit parking lot, or otherwise an area where they can sneak up on and grab a victim.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    All crime is based off of opportunity, for instance, if an attacker observes me at 5'10" and 195lbs. of mostly muscle or a guy who is 5"5" 95lbs. he will choose the smaller guy. If a person is intent on armed robbery they will choose the least secure premises/person rather than a path that would lead to being stopped. Rape, and all other crimes all follow the same pattern, most gain with least consequence.
    True! And I'm reminded of a notorious case of a serial killer husband & wife, who just happen to live on the same street as a close friend of mine back 20 to 25 years ago. The wife was for the most part - the enabler, while the husband picked most of his victims - schoolgirls on their way home after school, at random...just based on an opportunity presenting itself to him. He kept a bottle of chloroform and duct tape in his glove compartment, so he would be ready whenever an opportunity for another abduction presented itself. One of the girls he abducted and took home for fun and games before killing her - he noticed while driving home from work late at night. The girl had been trying to sneak back home without waking her parents....possibly trying to figure a way to climb in through a window. He offered to help her...then drugged and abducted her...the rest is tragic history...but it was just a case of another victim being in the wrong place at the wrong time! She was 15 years old at the time, and just happened to match the profile of his favorite victims.....nothing to do with what she was wearing...case closed!
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Cannot disagree more here. A man(not just a male) must expect the best of standards of himself, this includes impulse control. I don't care if I'm on "the edge" the second a woman changes her mind that is that, if she says no and isn't role playing then the moment is over, that's just part of being a man.
    I guess this is why I don't follow his posts! I hope those points written in third person, don't turn out to be personal confessions.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    I'd say a chicks odds of running into a would be rapist is much higher at a college party than in a scary looking unlit parking lot or whatever.
    The majority of rape victims know their attacker. Family members and partners/spouses account for the highest numbers. So, you're not correct on that one.

    Given this information, the venue doesn't matter so much as the moment of opportunity. The college party scenario is a popular stereotype because it's an environment that we associate with lack of responsibility, lack of inhibition, and total disregard. It's actually an environment where calculated attacks are more difficult to accomplish.

    The sad fact is that fewer attacks happen in parties than in those scary parking lots or dark pathways leading home.
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