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  • I suspect women are wearing revealing clothes in most rape cases

    1 0.98%
  • I suspect that a man/woman will rape regardless of the victims clothing

    28 27.45%
  • I think some women are inviting dangerous attention when wearing revealing attire

    6 5.88%
  • I don't think clothes have anything to do with rape

    56 54.90%
  • Other

    11 10.78%
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Thread: Rape and Clothing

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    So giving an accurate account of what was witnessed, including accurate descriptions of dress, have no place in a trial? Everything that tells the jury about the scene and actions of the people involved is not only not irrelevant, it is essential to the jury's ability to make an accurate judgment.

    It is kind of funny, people are arguing about how the juror may perceive the description of how someone is dressed, but in doing so, they are making an unfounded assumption about the jurors with even less foundation for judgment.

    All women who dress provocatively are sluts asking for it. All men and other women think that women who dress provocatively are sluts asking for it. Neither is accurate or correct, but you want to limit what the jury sees based upon the second statement? Or do you simply want more men convicted of rape when charged, regardless of guilt or innocence? When you use the second statement to pre-judge jurors, that is exactly what you are asking for.
    CLOTHING has nothing to do with consenting to sex. What don't you get about that?

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    That is not true. The fact is that back in the old days, rape was even LESS reported crime than it is now!
    Date rape wouldn't have been as common before the Sexual Revolution simply because the environment necessary for it wouldn't have existed. By and large, young men and women really were not dressing promiscuously, congregating en masse at bars and night clubs, getting plastered, and attempting to take strangers home prior to the 1960s.

    Regular rape would have still existed, but "he said - she said" cases were a lot less common.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    Nothing PC about it.

    Rape, wrong, end of story.

    "ANYITME"

    uh I guess you haven't been reading the thread: this mantra might be correct but its pretty much an intellectual cop out concerning this topic. Is the purpose of your comment to score some points with the women?



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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    I didn't say that most rapes were tied to such behavior. They are not.

    However, you cannot deny that the generally more "loose" moral standards our society has been encouraging for the last several decades do play a role in creating environments, and encouraging behaviors, that often put women at risk.

    "Date rape," for instance, is a phenomena which has only become a major problem since the 1960s.
    Yes the culture is changing and is always changing...what was wrong is now right,and what was right is now wrong. Let's make this more relatable to you since most men can't relate to rape or the fear of being raped. Let's say you have a gay buddy, and he is open about it to everyone. Let's say you guys go out to a sports bar and watch a game. You have a beer or two but not enough to get you drunk. Your friend parks his car at your house but doesn't feel like driving home so he asks to stay at your place. You say sure, and you both go to different rooms for the night. Let's say 10 min later he comes to your room and starts putting on the moves and talking about how good you looked tonight. You tell him he needs to back off but b/c he is bigger and stronger than you, he overpowers you! You have just been raped and now you can't tell anyone b/c after all YOU gave him permission to stay at your house and you KNEW that he was gay. Who is to blame in this situation? Were you being irresponsible?
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    I wouldn't go that extreme. However, I absolutely do think that there is probably a "happy medium" in there somewhere.

    "I can let it all hang out, get wasted, and hit on every guy in the bar if I want and not expect men to get any sexual ideas at all" really wouldn't strike me as being it, however.



    They're douchebags. No one's denying that.

    There's a reason why rapists often tend to be raped themselves in prison, after all.

    However, none of this means that those kinds of men are going to be going away any time soon.



    How do you figure that we're giving them "permission to misbehave?"

    Are rapists not generally despised and prosecuted?



    Which is why women should have the presence of mind to properly look out for their own safety in the first place.
    I think that all the women have pretty much agreed that responsible behavior is important, but that you can still dress sexy and behave responsibly at the same time. Basing your opinions and judgments on the clothing of a person alone is just not right.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh I guess you haven't been reading the thread: this mantra might be correct but its pretty much an intellectual cop out concerning this topic. Is the purpose of your comment to score some points with the women?
    It's b/c in my initial post I excluded the he said she said cases and wanted to focus on true rape cases.

    ""Since posters are getting upset that the yoga thread keeps getting derailed I will ask this here. Do you think most (true cases- not made up, let's not turn this into he said she said discussion) people who get raped are wearing revealing clothing?""

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh I guess you haven't been reading the thread: this mantra might be correct but its pretty much an intellectual cop out concerning this topic. Is the purpose of your comment to score some points with the women?

    Don't care. No equivocation, rape is rape. Wrong is wrong.

    No mitigating factors.
    "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I was actually surprised (when I looked up some 'warning signs that the guy near you is a royal rapist doucher') info that 'he was a nice guy' doesn't come up - I don't know why I expected rapists to pretend to be nice in order to get close to the women they attack.

    about date rape
    Trust your gut feelings
    Never feel that you have to spend time alone with someone who makes you feel uneasy or uncomfortable. Listen to your instincts and leave situations that you don't feel good about. Don't wait for someone to look out for you or for things to get better, because chances are they won't.

    Alcohol
    Some guys will be really generous and buy you drinks all night, but they might have hidden reasons. Getting a girl drunk is a common way to make her drop her inhibitions.
    You may be less able to refuse someone who is making a move on you or pressuring you to do something you don't want to do. It's best to buy your own drinks and to keep an eye on them. Read more about alcohol and drugs.

    Be choosy about guys
    Be careful about who you hang out with. There's no sure way to tell which guys could be dodgy, but watch out for guys who:

    • ignore you or don't really listen to you
    • do unwanted touching or invade your personal space
    • want to control what you do and make decisions for you
    • make suggestive or crude remarks about women.


    Know your sexual rights
    How often do guys say 'You would if you loved me '? Sex shouldn't be the only way you can show somebody you love them. And sex is not meant to one-sided it should be something you both want.
    Remember, you have the right to say no, even if you've had sex with him before, and you also have the right to change your mind. It is never OK to force somebody into having sex.
    It can be particularly hard to say no to a guy you like you might enjoy kissing and touching but aren't ready to have sex just yet. It's good to be firm and straightforward about what you do and don't want to do.
    In an equal relationship, each person has the right to stop the activity at any time. If he really cares about you he will respect your decision and will not start or continue anything you don't like.

    Look out for your mates
    When you go out in a group to a party, pub or club, look out for each other and make sure that everyone you came with gets home safely. If you're concerned about what a friend is doing, talk to them about it.

    Break the silence
    If you've been forced into sex against your will it is not your fault. It may help to talk to somebody about what happened, like a friend, a trusted adult or a counsellor at a sexual assault service or crisis line. Remember, you're not alone.

    10 warning signs
    1. Being alone with someone you don't know well
    2. Not knowing how you're going to get home
    3. An instinctive 'bad feeling' about a situation
    4. Drinking too much alcohol
    5. Accepting drinks from people, particularly if the drink tastes or smells 'funny'
    6. Guys who don't listen to you or show respect
    7. A guy who insists on coming into your house when he drops you home
    8. Unwanted touching by a guy
    9. Guys who say 'You would if you loved me '
    10. A friend who's not in control and is being taken advantage of
    I'm sure that some guys would definitely use the "nice guy" approach. In fact, I'm quite sure I've heard of rapes occurring after men have offered to "help" a woman in different instances, approaching her as a nice and helpful person.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by herenow1 View Post
    It's b/c in my initial post I excluded the he said she said cases and wanted to focus on true rape cases.

    ""Since posters are getting upset that the yoga thread keeps getting derailed I will ask this here. Do you think most (true cases- not made up, let's not turn this into he said she said discussion) people who get raped are wearing revealing clothing?""
    fair enough but some are going to get angry when you claim such cases are not "true rape cases" (consent cases)

    I said violent rape can never be justified by what someone wears.



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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    Don't care. No equivocation, rape is rape. Wrong is wrong.

    No mitigating factors.
    again, what exactly are you trying to establish with this mantra

    are you trying to score points with the women?

    or are you trying to prove something to yourself?

    your comments are pretty worthless for this thread



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