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  • I suspect women are wearing revealing clothes in most rape cases

    1 0.98%
  • I suspect that a man/woman will rape regardless of the victims clothing

    28 27.45%
  • I think some women are inviting dangerous attention when wearing revealing attire

    6 5.88%
  • I don't think clothes have anything to do with rape

    56 54.90%
  • Other

    11 10.78%
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Thread: Rape and Clothing

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    No, there is no question.

    RAPE IS ALWAYS WRONG IN EVERY CASE.

    NO OTHER ANSWER.
    Yeah that is the obvious PC answer

    but some stuff that is called rape is NOT

    so your silly little mantra has no real use here

    of course real rape is wrong

    but are you saying ANYITME a woman claims rape, the man is guilty?



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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    You only get closer by maintaining it as an expectation though.
    Encouraging women to behave stupidly because "men should know well enough to behave themselves" isn't helping anyone or anything.

    It simply makes them more likely to become victims.

    Explain the "Equality" isn't always a good thing. comment please
    To start off with, I know that I sure as Hell wouldn't want an "equal share" in something like childbirth.

    I'm pretty sure that most women (if they're being honest with themselves, anyway) wouldn't want an "equal" share in the horrible toll warfare has taken upon male populations over the centuries either.

    Women really shouldn't be looking for an "equal share" in self-destructive fratboy style stupidity that most men don't even condone.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing



    Yeahhhhh, I think i'm gonna stay out of this one...

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    We have various measures in place to minimize falsehoods - it's hard to prove one way or another. . . but I'm never going ot knee jerk with the belief that 'she's lying!'
    sometimes women lie

    example

    Patty Bowman's accusations of WK Smith-clear case of crying rape when none took place

    The DUKE LaCrosse scandal

    and my favorite

    UC Basketball star Louis Banks was accused of raping a UC Student

    facts

    on FRIDAY night she claims he raped her

    A DAY LATER on Saturday she admitted they had CONSENSUAL SEX

    took the jury about 20 minutes to acquit

    most of us who were aware of the case were amazed it even got past the Grand Jury



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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post


    It's not too far from the truth.

    "There's a beast in every man..."

    Most of us can keep things more or less together, but there are many who cannot. Those men are not going to be going anywhere any time soon.

    Women need to be wary of them for exactly that reason.

    Frankly, I don't really understand why it is so offensive to suggest that women not behave like irresponsible flakes anyway.
    Irresponsible flakes? Do you think that most rapes are b/c of the woman being irresponsible, b/c that sentence makes it appear that way. I think if you had to listen to real stories of women who were raped you would walk away with a different view!

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    sometimes women lie

    example

    Patty Bowman's accusations of WK Smith-clear case of crying rape when none took place

    The DUKE LaCrosse scandal

    and my favorite

    UC Basketball star Louis Banks was accused of raping a UC Student

    facts

    on FRIDAY night she claims he raped her

    A DAY LATER on Saturday she admitted they had CONSENSUAL SEX

    took the jury about 20 minutes to acquit

    most of us who were aware of the case were amazed it even got past the Grand Jury
    Yes, I know - sometimes women lie . . .and sometimes men lie. Sometimes people lie.

    You know - people suck.

    The best thing we can do is avoid other people at all costs and disbelieve anything anyone ever says.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    This quote is always trotted out whenever a discussion of rape takes place, and I always find it ridiculous. There are many ways to demonstrate power and control over someone, rape is only one of them. So to say that rape is not about sex at all is just silly. It may also be about power and control, but it's at least partly about sex.
    No it's not, because rapists also demonstrate other boundary violations well in advance of actual sexual assaults. There are always warning signs. In the case of partnerships, possessiveness is a key feature, and incursions are made gradually until one day a major one is made. Rape is just one manifestation of power entitlement to someone else.

    To actually force yourself on someone against their will requires a different kind of mentality beyond mere attraction. In the case of raping strangers, it often involves grooming behavior and stalking. Victims are chosen based on perceived weakness, not what they wear. This is not theory, it's fact. There are many "unattractive" women who get raped every year.

    The whole clothing debate is just BS victim blaming, as usual. I agree that women have to protect themselves, but only because we still live in a climate where they are blamed if someone comes at them.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post


    It's not too far from the truth.

    "There's a beast in every man..."

    Most of us can keep things more or less together, but there are many who cannot. Those men are not going to be going anywhere any time soon.

    Women need to be wary of them for exactly that reason.

    Frankly, I don't really understand why it is so offensive to suggest that women not behave like irresponsible flakes anyway.
    You're not going to like this very much when i say that that this particular conversation reminds me of my time in the ME. A lot of the males i came into contact with were pretty outspoken about why women should remain veiled. They also thought women should be invisible to men, for their own safety and to protect men from lustful thoughts.

    That's a backward way of thinking Gath.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Or you could clarify how your rambling points actually relate to her post - because they still don't match up. You're all in a tizzy, apparently over nothing. If you want to have a one-sided spazz attack rather than take a moment to clarify then by all means . . . go ahead.
    Cool. Well, nice talking to ya.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Yes, I know - sometimes women lie . . .and sometimes men lie. Sometimes people lie.

    You know - people suck.

    The best thing we can do is avoid other people at all costs and disbelieve anything anyone ever says.
    or water board both parties?



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