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  • I suspect women are wearing revealing clothes in most rape cases

    1 0.98%
  • I suspect that a man/woman will rape regardless of the victims clothing

    28 27.45%
  • I think some women are inviting dangerous attention when wearing revealing attire

    6 5.88%
  • I don't think clothes have anything to do with rape

    56 54.90%
  • Other

    11 10.78%
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Because some men behave like morons, women should too? That doesn't strike me as being as especially compelling argument.

    Ideally, no one would indulge in this kind of behavior.

    Frankly, men pay the price for bad behavior in a lot of ways too. It simply happens to be the case that we're a bit less vulnerable than women are.
    No, but we always strive for equality and don't settle for inequality because of the inability of any relevant party to behave like an adult that is in control of their actions.

    Women are as vulnerable as a man perceives them to be. Raise the bar for gods sake.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Whatever happened to the notion of: We were getting along and having a good time?

    You know - I've often wondered if all these 'signals' these women send are just being 'nice' or even responding to what might seem to be a 'polite, nice guy' - but his intentions were full of smarmy desires and foul intent.

    Maybe the 'she shows interest!' is just a bull**** LIE (gee - how surprising - a criminal lying to support his crime) which apparently has a lot of people on the hook of belief.
    Well I certainly wouldn't go by "his" word. That's for sure. Of course he would lie.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    Rape is 100% wrong in 100% of all cases.

    End of story
    true

    but the issue is

    was there rape

    that is the question

    just because a woman cries rape doesn't establish guilt



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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    BTW anonymous polls SUCK



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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that's a good point but the focus in this thread has been on a woman's dress and rape and one poster was correct in noting "rape" can mean several different things

    1) forcing someone with threats of violence to engage in unwanted sex
    This is *in the act* - what about *before that act* . . . before he gets *to that point* - what should women be on the lookout for? Nice guy who gave compliments or was helpful when you needed your tire changed?

    2) drugging someone so they no longer are able to resist sex or to say no
    Well - clearly the victim wouldn't *know* that he was going to drug her to rape her - or had done so in the past . . . so that's not going to help. What are hte signs that go along with people who *do that *****?


    3) and to some people-rape involves convincing a woman to have sex even if she initially didn't want to

    its the third category where the dress of the victim may be relevant
    I don't see how. What - if I wear something that someone finds appealing I'm more likely to give in to pressure? I don't follow, here? Or - he's more likely to get turned on?

    LIke - before a date two people have to exchange a checklist of 'appropriate clothes to wear' to 'minimize the risk of you sexually assaulting me'

    Do the guys need to state that "I am partial to the color blue and bare necks" - because spare me if that's the idea, here.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    No, but we always strive for equality and don't settle for inequality because of the inability of any relevant party to behave like an adult that is in control of their actions.

    Women are as vulnerable as a man perceives them to be. Raise the bar for gods sake.
    "Equality" isn't always a good thing.

    If you intend on waiting for the "better nature" of humanity to prevail, you are going to be waiting for a very, very long time, I'm afraid. Bad people do not cease to be bad simply because you dislike their way of doing things.

    For that matter, women are always going to be vulnerable in relation to men simply because of the size and strength differences involved.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    "Equality" isn't always a good thing.

    If you intend on waiting on the "better nature" of humanity to prevail, you are going to be waiting for a very, very long time, I'm afraid.

    Bad people do not cease to be bad simply because you dislike their way of doing things.
    You only get closer by maintaining it as an expectation though.

    Explain the "Equality" isn't always a good thing. comment please
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    true

    but the issue is

    was there rape

    that is the question

    just because a woman cries rape doesn't establish guilt

    No, there is no question.

    RAPE IS ALWAYS WRONG IN EVERY CASE.

    NO OTHER ANSWER.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    BTW anonymous polls SUCK
    That's the default setting. I didn't purposefully set it to anon. Plus aren't ppl more honest when it's anon?

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    true

    but the issue is

    was there rape

    that is the question

    just because a woman cries rape doesn't establish guilt
    We have various measures in place to minimize falsehoods - it's hard to prove one way or another. . . but I'm never going ot knee jerk with the belief that 'she's lying!'
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