I think we're talking past one another here, a lot of this is coming out of left field for me.
I think the main thing you're missing here is the fact that if a woman is going home with a guy, then it doesn't mean she is going to get raped. In most of the cases where the guy gets lucky enough to take the girl home, it is consensual sex that occurs (if there is sex), not rape.
Well, yea. I never said that "hooking up" was equivalent to rape.
I was simply saying that the environments and behaviors associated with "hooking up" can potentially put a woman at greater risk for rape if she's not careful. As such, it isn't a good idea for a woman to go around conducting herself in such a manner as might lead men to believe she is looking for sex when she really is not.
Around the wrong kinds of guys, that kind of thing can be dangerous.
First, you are stereotyping. ANY type of guy can be a rapist, geeks, nerds, rednecks, jocks, snobs, frat boys, military guys, just plain weirdos, any of them.
Within the context of what we are discussing here (i.e. date rape associated with night clubs, bars, and parties where sexual misunderstandings rather than premeditated predatory intent might play a key role), we are going to be looking at a rather particular kind of guy in most cases.
A) The kind who would be making an active point of trying to "pick up" women in the first place and actually have some amount of success with it.
B) The kind who would be physically aggressive and unempathetic enough to possibly not take "no" for an answer once he's got his blood up.
Again, in most cases, this does not imply "geeks" or the more "mild mannered" varieties of men. It implies someone more aggressive and impulsive. Given this fact, I don't think it's any coincidence whatsoever that such a disproportionately large number of reported date rapes tend to take place in connection with either fraternities or athletes.
They simply tend to have the personalities and patterns of behavior which most clearly fit the bill. :shrug:
Here's the thing though, not all promiscuous men are the potential rapists.
No, but I do think there is a certain kind of man who is more likely to commit date rape than others. They are very likely to be favorably inclined towards promiscuity.
As such, they will probably target women they feel will "put out" (i.e. 'sluts') over more conservative types of women when making sexual advances.
You seem to be under this impression that women who dress "slutty" are automatically some sort of stupid teaser who is going to simply lead a man on til she gets him to agree to take her home (or somewhere else) and then turn him down for sex.
Again, no. Most women who make a deliberate point of showing off "the goods" probably are looking to have sex. However, there are some women who do legitimately like to "tease" men (or who might simply not realize the full implications of their behavior) out there as well. Those women are foolish.
It's a bit like waving meat in front of a hungry dog. With the wrong dog... well... Let's just say that things can wind up ending badly for a person.
Actually, the guy in the nice suit would look just as out of place in the bars I go to as the "dirty slob". I wouldn't likely flirt with either because neither would be likely to know how to country dance, a necessary criteria for gaining my attention when I was single, if they're in a country bar in either attire.
As I've been saying though, you have to also consider the woman's taste as well here. Some women wouldn't care at all. Personally, although appearance in general was important to me, there is a difference between choices between hitting on someone who is dressed cleanly in any clothing and one who looks like a slob. But that wouldn't have anything to do with their potential to rape. Either man described could potentially rape a woman. They may go about it by different means, but either has the potential to be a rapist (heck just look at our most infamous rapists, they cover pretty much the gamut in the looks department).
A woman may be more willing to go home with the goodlooking guy, but then she also may be more willing to actually say yes to the goodlooking guy. The same the other way around, the woman who looks like a "slut" may be hit on more, but she also may be more likely to say "yes" to sex, while the more conservatively dressed woman may be hit on less, but may also be less likely to say yes to sex, even with a guy she agrees to go home with or go off alone with.
It really isn't about the assumptions men may make about the women in bars (or in certain clothing) at all, it is about what the man's taste in women are, what the man is actually looking to do, what the woman is willing to agree to (if she is even willing to respond to attention from a man at all), and so many other things.
I wasn't saying that it had anything to do with rape. I was using the example to highlight the fact that clothing does play a role in shaping society's perception of a person regardless of their gender or actual intentions.
Most women (if they're being honest) are going to make certain assumptions about a man in a suit that they would not make about a man in a T-shirt when it comes to categorizing his value as a potential mate. Likewise, most men are going to make certain assumptions about a woman based upon the way she is dressed when it comes to selecting the women most likely to have sex out of a crowd.
While personal tastes do factor into this, they really do not negate my overall point here.
A sexually aggressive man
is very likely going to be looking for a "slut" rather than a "nice girl" if he is trying to ensure that a sexual liaison will take place. When he finds a woman that outwardly fits that description, he is going to make the assumption that her style of dress and way of carrying herself do indicate a higher potential willingness to engage in sexual activity with him than other women.
Some of those men might even go so far as to take that clothing as "implied consent," and not handle it very well if their assumptions turn out to be false, and the woman in question really is not willing or able to consent to going "all the way." This can occasionally result in a date rape taking place if just the wrong combination of other factors come into play.