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  • I suspect women are wearing revealing clothes in most rape cases

    1 0.98%
  • I suspect that a man/woman will rape regardless of the victims clothing

    28 27.45%
  • I think some women are inviting dangerous attention when wearing revealing attire

    6 5.88%
  • I don't think clothes have anything to do with rape

    56 54.90%
  • Other

    11 10.78%
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Thread: Rape and Clothing

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    It is a necessary part of this conversation. how a woman acts before a "date rape" is an important issue in determining who told the truth as to whether consent or buyer's remorse is in play
    You know - how about we bring up this point: How did the guy ACT before he committed to date rape?

    I mean - if people want women to be aware and on their guard and forever looking out for their self maybe we should debate the behaviors from the perpetrator leading *up to* the crime. Maybe that'll actually get us somewhere.

    As it stands: if she shows any bit of interest (or doesn't) then the guy, what, has "permission" to rape?
    What if he's all nice and sweet and then rapes - does that somehow diminish his crime or make it okay?
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post


    It's not too far from the truth.

    "There's a beast in every man..."

    Most of us can keep things more or less together, but there are many who cannot. Those men are not going to be going anywhere any time soon.

    Women need to be wary of them for exactly that reason.

    Frankly, I don't really understand why it is so offensive to suggest that women not behave like fools anyway.
    Does this mean that men shouldn't drink to much or wear snug pants? If you give in to the idea that men can't control themselves you condone their loss of control.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    It is a necessary part of this conversation. how a woman acts before a "date rape" is an important issue in determining who told the truth as to whether consent or buyer's remorse is in play
    How she acts? Fine. How she was dressed? Bad way to determine "consent."

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Does this mean that men shouldn't drink to much or wear snug pants? If you give in to the idea that men can't control themselves you condone their loss of control.
    Because some men behave like morons, women should too? That doesn't strike me as being as especially compelling argument.

    Ideally, no one would indulge in this kind of behavior.

    Frankly, men pay the price for bad behavior in a lot of ways too. It simply happens to be the case that we're a bit less vulnerable than women are.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    You know - how about we bring up this point: How did the guy ACT before he committed to date rape?

    I mean - if people want women to be aware and on their guard and forever looking out for their self maybe we should debate the behaviors from the perpetrator leading *up to* the crime. Maybe that'll actually get us somewhere.
    that's a good point but the focus in this thread has been on a woman's dress and rape and one poster was correct in noting "rape" can mean several different things

    1) forcing someone with threats of violence to engage in unwanted sex

    2) drugging someone so they no longer are able to resist sex or to say no

    3) and to some people-rape involves convincing a woman to have sex even if she initially didn't want to

    its the third category where the dress of the victim may be relevant



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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Rape is 100% wrong in 100% of all cases.

    End of story
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    It doesn't even make SENSE. We can't make judgments based on the past sexual behavior of the woman, but it's A-OK to make judgments based upon her clothing? Ridiculous!

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    How she acts? Fine. How she was dressed? Bad way to determine "consent."
    Whatever happened to the notion of: We were getting along and having a good time?

    You know - I've often wondered if all these 'signals' these women send are just being 'nice' or even responding to what might seem to be a 'polite, nice guy' - but his intentions were full of smarmy desires and foul intent.

    Maybe the 'she shows interest!' is just a bull**** LIE (gee - how surprising - a criminal lying to support his crime) which apparently has a lot of people on the hook of belief.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    It is a necessary part of this conversation. how a woman acts before a "date rape" is an important issue in determining who told the truth as to whether consent or buyer's remorse is in play
    A woman providing consent is a very direct thing and suggesting that the way she is dressed is some kind of non-verbal consent it just ridiculous. A woman should be able to act in whatever way she wants without fearing she has unintentionally given someone the green light to penetrate her.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Because some men behave like morons, women should too? That doesn't strike me as being as especially compelling argument.

    Ideally, no one would indulge in this kind of behavior.

    Frankly, men pay the price for bad behavior in a lot of ways too. It simply happens to be the case that we're a bit less vulnerable than women are.
    What if the woman is literally a moron? Then what?

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