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  • I suspect women are wearing revealing clothes in most rape cases

    1 0.98%
  • I suspect that a man/woman will rape regardless of the victims clothing

    28 27.45%
  • I think some women are inviting dangerous attention when wearing revealing attire

    6 5.88%
  • I don't think clothes have anything to do with rape

    56 54.90%
  • Other

    11 10.78%
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    Since rape is about power and not sex, then of the millions (billions?) of rapes that must surely leave history awash with this particular atrocity, do you happen to know of one single case where sexual contact wasn't the mode of expression? Would it be reasonable to revise the existing laws to include a new definition of rape as being a power crime, rather than a sex crime? Shall we remove rapists from the sex offenders registers, in light of this new definition, since it's somehow inaccurate? We could reasonably choose to recognise no distinction between rape and, say, a verbal threat, since power and control are the qualifiers, right? Or blackmail, for example? A politician abusing his position to have a woman removed from her job just raped her, is that correct? He'll be charged with rape? I'll wait patiently for a single example of a case where rape occurred without sex.

    Now, you might say it's both. That it's power by means of sex. Interestingly, even consensual sex can occur with power as the motive, as in certain forms of fetishism. But that’s consensual, so no harm no foul. But then the only difference between rape as some cruel and ruthless pursuit of power and regular sex is the element of consent itself, correct? By extension, if I punch a woman in the face without her consent, I just raped her. No sex was necessary. Christ, I could steal a Snickers bar and be guilty of rape. Let's be clear. There's no denying the sexual component of rape, but 'power' is merely (politically) interpretative beyond physical domination. No complex, degradative, diabolical mind game is necessary. While rape is destructive, there are numerous other avenues one might pursue to that end, and without any attendant jail sentence.

    Also, does knowing the victim in advance make the crime any less opportunistic? Even a jewellery store smash n' grab, though planned, would entail the element of opportunism. Or a mugging. Whatever. Does intention necessarily constitute a lengthy period of premeditation? Because if there's no established temporal baseline, then a ten year campaign of threats that culminates in rape is no more indicative of planning than the ****bag who jumps women in car parks. That a victim might know her attacker in advance is no refutation of opportunism, that representing, literally, a moment of opportunity. A 'plan' can be formulated in seconds. All that’s required is a dark alley and a passer-by. I doubt very much if serial rapists who attack complete strangers would be accused of putting much thought into who their victims are. It's opportunism, not military logistics. How much planning does it take to rape someone, requiring only physical domination? If anything, doesn’t knowing the victim in advance make for far less planning than with a stranger?
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Exactly.

    So the argument is bull**** and it comes from people who find *certain clothes* to be insanely attractive - and for whatever reason - they assume everyone else is the same way.

    It's a way of passing the stress and blame off on the victim as if she's done something stupid like on a 'dude - watch this' video that goes viral and ends up on Tosh2.0.

    When people toss around that argument and they *believe it* - it tells a lot about them.
    If I was a juror and was presented with "how she was dressed" as evidence in a rape case, I think I would be mortified about it, and I would certainly not make my judgement based upon that piece of evidence.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    If I was a juror and was presented with "how she was dressed" as evidence in a rape case, I think I would be mortified about it, and I would certainly not make my judgement based upon that piece of evidence.

    I love Tosh! That show is hilarious!
    And what about the flip side - men in those damned plain white t's hmm and facial hair! Who's going to tell them to knock it off!
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    that doesn't mean that it is sound or just.

    how a group of jurors decide to interpret the behaviors of any party is rooted in the conventions of the time and does not serve to justify those decisions.
    take that up with the next prosecutor or defense attorney you meet with.

    I am merely telling you how things work in court rooms. like it or not



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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    You're arguing against a 'point' that she didn't make.
    That's one hell of an informed response.

    I'll await her own. I'm painfully aware of what the feminazi translation is.

    Thanks anyway.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    because of my massive bust...
    After those words, my vision blurred and I couldn't read any more.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    That's one hell of an informed response.

    I'll await her own. I'm painfully aware of what the feminazi translation is.

    Thanks anyway.
    Well I was actually thinking that maybe you quoted the wrong person.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    take that up with the next prosecutor or defense attorney you meet with.

    I am merely telling you how things work in court rooms. like it or not
    This conversation is not about what happens in a court room.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Well I was actually thinking that maybe you quoted the wrong person.
    As you did, unless you're in the habit of quoting those who have no interest in your feedback.

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