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  • I suspect women are wearing revealing clothes in most rape cases

    1 0.98%
  • I suspect that a man/woman will rape regardless of the victims clothing

    28 27.45%
  • I think some women are inviting dangerous attention when wearing revealing attire

    6 5.88%
  • I don't think clothes have anything to do with rape

    56 54.90%
  • Other

    11 10.78%
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    That is not right at all. They should not be able to use a person's appearance against them. It's not fair because it does not indicate that the woman wanted to have sex. She could just be a person who dresses provocatively and it doesn't have anything to do with sex as far as SHE is concerned.
    Sorry, but the jury should be given as accurate a picture of the scene and events as possible.

    Unless/until we do away with protection against "self incrimination" and chemical interrogation is used, accuracy of the scene and people is going to be necessary.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    That is not right at all. They should not be able to use a person's appearance against them. It's not fair because it does not indicate that the woman wanted to have sex. She could just be a person who dresses provocatively and it doesn't have anything to do with sex as far as SHE is concerned.
    Well here's the thing: "Provocative" is such a personal "opinion" on clothing.

    I do not dress "provocatively" in how *I* interpret the term . . . but I have been told I've done so by my husband and others numerous times.

    It's strictly opinion.

    I wear a business suit with a short skirt and style my hair: I am looking quintessentially *professional* and absolutely not *provocative* - but others might disagree. I have a dress I really like that I consider to be conservative in style (it's sleeveless but doesn't show any cleavage - the neckline is *to* the neck arch), but because of my massive bust and the form fitting nature of the dress fabric my husband sees it as provocative. I have some sweaters that he considers provocative as well - and they're massive bulky things with long fluffy sleeves, they cover my butt, and they're all cowl-necks, but he thinks I'm insanely hot in them.

    Jeans and t-shirts get some guys going.

    Dresses appeal to others even if they're full covering or loose fitting.

    Provocative, appealing, fashionable, sexy, alluring, seductive - all of this is strict personal opinion. Some people even find 'bumming around the house in sweats' to be highly appealing.

    The idea that there's a type of outfit that no one finds appealing is preposterous as is the idea that a female cannot dress *up* nice to go out on a *date*

    What - gunny sacks for everyone? Wait, even THAT won't work because it would show LEG.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Well here's the thing: "Provocative" is such a personal "opinion" on clothing.

    I do not dress "provocatively" in how *I* interpret the term . . . but I have been told I've done so by my husband and others numerous times.

    It's strictly opinion.

    I wear a business suit with a short skirt and style my hair: I am looking quintessentially *professional* and absolutely not *provocative* - but others might disagree. I have a dress I really like that I consider to be conservative in style (it's sleeveless but doesn't show any cleavage - the neckline is *to* the neck arch), but because of my massive bust and the form fitting nature of the dress fabric my husband sees it as provocative. I have some sweaters that he considers provocative as well - and they're massive bulky things with long fluffy sleeves, they cover my butt, and they're all cowl-necks, but he thinks I'm insanely hot in them.

    Jeans and t-shirts get some guys going.

    Dresses appeal to others even if they're full covering or loose fitting.

    Provocative, appealing, fashionable, sexy, alluring, seductive - all of this is strict personal opinion. Some people even find 'bumming around the house in sweats' to be highly appealing.

    The idea that there's a type of outfit that no one finds appealing is preposterous as is the idea that a female cannot dress *up* nice to go out on a *date*

    What - gunny sacks for everyone? Wait, even THAT won't work because it would show LEG.
    Exactly, and great points. What about guys who are attracted to FEET? Should we cover those when we go out too?

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    This isn't really true either. Opportunity plays a role in how a person might succeed in a rape, but it is not why a person rapes another. The average man or woman would not rape another person even if they were laying in a bed naked and passed out who the person knew did not want to have sex with them. Plenty of women go home or even to a hotel room with men (I do realize that men can be raped and women can be rapists as well, but it happens most often as women being raped and men being the rapist) who did not get raped after telling the man "no", even while sleeping in the same bed with them.
    Since rape is about power and not sex, then of the millions (billions?) of rapes that must surely leave history awash with this particular atrocity, do you happen to know of one single case where sexual contact wasn't the mode of expression? Would it be reasonable to revise the existing laws to include a new definition of rape as being a power crime, rather than a sex crime? Shall we remove rapists from the sex offenders registers, in light of this new definition, since it's somehow inaccurate? We could reasonably choose to recognise no distinction between rape and, say, a verbal threat, since power and control are the qualifiers, right? Or blackmail, for example? A politician abusing his position to have a woman removed from her job just raped her, is that correct? He'll be charged with rape? I'll wait patiently for a single example of a case where rape occurred without sex.

    Now, you might say it's both. That it's power by means of sex. Interestingly, even consensual sex can occur with power as the motive, as in certain forms of fetishism. But thatís consensual, so no harm no foul. But then the only difference between rape as some cruel and ruthless pursuit of power and regular sex is the element of consent itself, correct? By extension, if I punch a woman in the face without her consent, I just raped her. No sex was necessary. Christ, I could steal a Snickers bar and be guilty of rape. Let's be clear. There's no denying the sexual component of rape, but 'power' is merely (politically) interpretative beyond physical domination. No complex, degradative, diabolical mind game is necessary. While rape is destructive, there are numerous other avenues one might pursue to that end, and without any attendant jail sentence.

    Also, does knowing the victim in advance make the crime any less opportunistic? Even a jewellery store smash n' grab, though planned, would entail the element of opportunism. Or a mugging. Whatever. Does intention necessarily constitute a lengthy period of premeditation? Because if there's no established temporal baseline, then a ten year campaign of threats that culminates in rape is no more indicative of planning than the ****bag who jumps women in car parks. That a victim might know her attacker in advance is no refutation of opportunism, that representing, literally, a moment of opportunity. A 'plan' can be formulated in seconds. All thatís required is a dark alley and a passer-by. I doubt very much if serial rapists who attack complete strangers would be accused of putting much thought into who their victims are. It's opportunism, not military logistics. How much planning does it take to rape someone, requiring only physical domination? If anything, doesnít knowing the victim in advance make for far less planning than with a stranger?

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Sorry, but the jury should be given as accurate a picture of the scene and events as possible.

    Unless/until we do away with protection against "self incrimination" and chemical interrogation is used, accuracy of the scene and people is going to be necessary.
    That is not accurate because it's a matter of opinion, and is in no way an indicator of consent to sex. IMO, it is fine if a defense attorney wants to use her behavior as an indicator, such as she was sitting in his lap all night and kissing on him and things like that. But just because a woman is wearing a short skirt does NOT indicate anything to do with her consenting to sex or not.

    On that note, we should be able to use in the case for the prosecution that "she was dressed conservatively" so obviously she did NOT want sex and he obviously must have raped her. What's good for the goose . . . .

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    I am no expert on sexuality.
    You need to get out more.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Exactly, and great points. What about guys who are attracted to FEET? Should we cover those when we go out too?
    Exactly.

    So the argument is bull**** and it comes from people who find *certain clothes* to be insanely attractive - and for whatever reason - they assume everyone else is the same way.

    It's a way of passing the stress and blame off on the victim as if she's done something stupid like on a 'dude - watch this' video that goes viral and ends up on Tosh2.0.

    When people toss around that argument and they *believe it* - it tells a lot about them.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by herenow1 View Post
    Since posters are getting upset that the yoga thread keeps getting derailed I will ask this here. Do you think most (true cases- not made up, let's not turn this into he said she said discussion) people who get raped are wearing revealing clothing?
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    guys do it all the time. and so will a jury

    since no one other than the couple was witness to what she said right before she is penetrated, the jury has to decide based on what was witnessed by others
    that doesn't mean that it is sound or just.

    how a group of jurors decide to interpret the behaviors of any party is rooted in the conventions of the time and does not serve to justify those decisions.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Well here's the thing: "Provocative" is such a personal "opinion" on clothing.

    I do not dress "provocatively" in how *I* interpret the term . . . but I have been told I've done so by my husband and others numerous times.

    It's strictly opinion.

    I wear a business suit with a short skirt and style my hair: I am looking quintessentially *professional* and absolutely not *provocative* - but others might disagree. I have a dress I really like that I consider to be conservative in style (it's sleeveless but doesn't show any cleavage - the neckline is *to* the neck arch), but because of my massive bust and the form fitting nature of the dress fabric my husband sees it as provocative. I have some sweaters that he considers provocative as well - and they're massive bulky things with long fluffy sleeves, they cover my butt, and they're all cowl-necks, but he thinks I'm insanely hot in them.

    Jeans and t-shirts get some guys going.

    Dresses appeal to others even if they're full covering or loose fitting.

    Provocative, appealing, fashionable, sexy, alluring, seductive - all of this is strict personal opinion. Some people even find 'bumming around the house in sweats' to be highly appealing.

    The idea that there's a type of outfit that no one finds appealing is preposterous as is the idea that a female cannot dress *up* nice to go out on a *date*

    What - gunny sacks for everyone? Wait, even THAT won't work because it would show LEG.
    Thank you! I love dressing up, and where I live ppl dress up just to go out to eat and the movies. My hubs is actually the one who encourages me to dress sexy(short skirts, hight heels) but of course only with him,lol. He doesn't want me wearing it on girls night out tho.Sometimes dressing nice is about how it makes you feel not about how it makes someone else look at you!

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