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  • I suspect women are wearing revealing clothes in most rape cases

    1 0.98%
  • I suspect that a man/woman will rape regardless of the victims clothing

    28 27.45%
  • I think some women are inviting dangerous attention when wearing revealing attire

    6 5.88%
  • I don't think clothes have anything to do with rape

    56 54.90%
  • Other

    11 10.78%
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Arguably, there are some women like that. However, I absolutely agree that this generally is not the case.

    However, a lot guys believe it anyway regardless. lol
    Well in most cases they would be wrong. Some women like to show off their bodies, and it has nothing to do with sex at all. It's as simple as that.

    Okay, but one of the reasons why that "opportunity" presented itself in his mind in the first place was her style of dress. That's the whole problem.
    That's HIS problem. Don't ever expect sex because of the way a woman is dressed. Okay? It doesn't mean anything.

    As such, if you're going to willingly enter the kinds of establishments those men frequent, and dress in such a way as to draw their attention, it is generally advisable to take precautions to make sure they don't get the wrong idea, or you can fight them off if need be.
    You yourself told me before that the only reason that the men frequent these establishments to begin with is because of the women who go there, so maybe you guys should just avoid going to places where women are if you cannot control yourselves.

    Some do and some don't. Not all rapes, or rapists, are the same.
    I would say that the majority do not as long as she is not grotesque. Unless they have been stalking a person, then it is the particular person they are interested in.

    Sometimes rape is a serial obsession and sometimes it is more of a crime of passion. Clothing wouldn't play a role in the former, but can sometimes play a role in the latter.
    I doubt that rapists are talking up the prettiest girl in the room. They are looking for the EASIEST target, and a lot of times that would be the more shy and quiet person, rather than the drunk belligerent one who's dancing around making a scene.



    Which is why I'm pointing out that there are some rape scenarios where clothing can play a contributing role.
    If it plays a role at all, I think it plays a very insignificant role.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    When men see a woman dressed in a very sexy, let alone "slutty", manner, many they tend to think she is advertising some degree of willingness.

    With most men who think this, a firm "no" is sufficient. However, there are a few men for whom "no" is simply a trigger that sets off the worst in them.

    Just sayin'.
    I agree with that, but usually that scenario would occur because the woman was flirting excessively with the man, seducing him so to speak. I am skeptical that a man walks into a bar and just because a woman is wearing a short skirt he thinks she wants to have sex with him UNLESS she made him think so in another way.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Its called intent and intent can be deciphered by the actions that are evident leading up to the dispute of material fact
    Well, I don't think that should be able to be considered because it is certainly far from being adequate.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    true and we don't know when one party to the intercourse said she didn't want to get drilled and the man said she said yes. To determine who is telling the truth, we have to judge which actions-that others witnessed-are more consistent with the conflicting testimony of the only two witnesses to what happened in bed.
    Clothing isn't giving consent though. It shouldn't matter what the rapist man's prejudgements of this woman were based upon her clothing.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well, I don't think that should be able to be considered because it is certainly far from being adequate.
    well having sat through a couple such cases I know what evidence is used



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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Clothing isn't giving consent though. It shouldn't matter what the rapist man's prejudgements of this woman were based upon her clothing.
    again you miss the point

    are you telling me that a woman doesn't sometime signal intent to a date based on how she dresses?



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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    That's HIS problem.
    Right up until he makes it your problem by attempting to force himself upon you; hence why it is necessary to take precautions and not draw too much attention to yourself if you're not looking for anything serious in the first place.

    You yourself told me before that the only reason that the men frequent these establishments to begin with is because of the women who go there, so maybe you guys should just avoid going to places where women are if you cannot control yourselves.
    Most guys can, but there are some that can't. As has already been established, women need to be wary of that fact.

    I doubt that rapists are talking up the prettiest girl in the room. They are looking for the EASIEST target, and a lot of times that would be the more shy and quiet person, rather than the drunk belligerent one who's dancing around making a scene.
    In the case of date rape that was not premeditated, they are often looking for the easiest woman to have sex with, not rape. Revealing clothing will sometimes be taken as a sign of this.

    It simply happens to be the case that some men do not handle being told "no" very well, especially not from a woman they perceive as being "easy" in the first place.

    If it plays a role at all, I think it plays a very insignificant role.
    Again, it would be a contributing role.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I agree with that, but usually that scenario would occur because the woman was flirting excessively with the man, seducing him so to speak. I am skeptical that a man walks into a bar and just because a woman is wearing a short skirt he thinks she wants to have sex with him UNLESS she made him think so in another way.
    That is another dangerous behavior that women need to avoid.

    When a woman is wearing flirtatious clothing and has a flirtatious demeanor, it is easy for a lot of men to get the wrong idea. Some of those men might not be willing to take "no" for an answer.

    This is why women need to take precautions to ensure their safety.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    again you miss the point

    are you telling me that a woman doesn't sometime signal intent to a date based on how she dresses?
    Maybe, maybe not. I would think that depends upon the person. Some women might dress to the nines everywhere they go because that's just who they are. That's why I don't like that they would use clothing as evidence.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Not by clothes!
    We all make judgments about others all the time. How someone presents themselves to the world, including how they dress, is often how people judge them. Is it always right or accurate? No. But we do it, sometimes consciously, sometimes unconsciously. We make judgments about business by their employees dress and actions. Everyone does it, whether right or wrong. That is one thing I think many young people don't understand, yes, they have the freedom to "express" themselves, but people will judge them by it.

    Sometimes, like in a "he said, she said" type scenario, how someone dresses, how someone acts, and how someone talks will influence our judgment of who is telling the truth, even if it is inaccurate.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    again you miss the point

    are you telling me that a woman doesn't sometime signal intent to a date based on how she dresses?
    You can not make the assumption that that is her intent.
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