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  • I suspect women are wearing revealing clothes in most rape cases

    1 0.98%
  • I suspect that a man/woman will rape regardless of the victims clothing

    28 27.45%
  • I think some women are inviting dangerous attention when wearing revealing attire

    6 5.88%
  • I don't think clothes have anything to do with rape

    56 54.90%
  • Other

    11 10.78%
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Thread: Rape and Clothing

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    YOu miss the point

    the jury wasn't there

    they know she claimed she said NO

    they Know the Man said SHE CONSENTED

    how do you tell who is telling the truth?
    Not by clothes!

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well Gathomas. Let me educate you. It doesn't mean that.
    Arguably, there are some women like that. However, I absolutely agree that this generally is not the case.

    A lot guys believe it anyway regardless though. lol

    I can agree with this, but again it has little to nothing to do with how a woman is dressed and more about the opportunity that has presented itself in his sick mind.
    Okay, but one of the reasons why that "opportunity" presented itself in his mind in the first place was her style of dress. That's the whole problem.

    As such, if you're going to willingly enter the kinds of establishments those men frequent, and dress in such a way as to draw their attention, it is generally advisable to take precautions to make sure they don't get the wrong idea, or you can fight them off if need be.

    IOW, I don't think rapists CARE that much about the appearance of their victim as long as they are not grotesque. They just want to get laid, and so they rape an easy target. That is how I see it.
    Some do and some don't. Not all rapes, or rapists, are the same.

    Sometimes rape is a serial obsession and sometimes it is more of a crime of passion. Clothing wouldn't play a role in the former, but can sometimes play a role in the latter.

    No specific rape scenarios are described in the OP, so I can talk about that too.
    Which is why I'm pointing out that there are some rape scenarios where clothing can play a contributing role.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well, there could be many different reasons why she would be dressed like that, and that sounds like a very classy outfit to me and not at all "slutty." But anyway, she could have just come from some kind of gathering, or maybe that's just how she dresses?

    I can't see how that could be a valid defense against any level of rape. Just because a person might want to show off his or her body does not mean they are consenting to sex either.
    Nope the testimony was that she dressed that way to go visit a new born baby-nothing more nothing less



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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I don't park in enclosed garages. The last time I did? Probably ten years ago. I asked security to escort me to my car. If I'm out alone late at night (like girls' night out), we're all walking to the parking lot together, never alone. If I'm parked in a large parking lot (like shopping), day or night, I'm always watching my surroundings, checking the back seat of my car, locking my door as quickly as I open it.

    More than a few times, when the elevator door has opened and I see someone who is 'questionable' in my estimation, as I start to walk on the elevator, I've said, "DAMN it. Sorry, forgot something." It's a knee-jerk response I'm prepped with anytime I'm walking into an elevator. If I were to use a stairwell, it would only be because the building was on fire. I valet my car any time I have that opportunity. I have signage on my car (magnetic on both sides). When picking up my car, I've asked the valet to remove it more than once before driving up to the pick-up spot because someone has given me the creeps.

    When I feel the hairs on the back of my neck stand up? I believe 'em.

    I've taken a number of 'dirty street fighting' classes and, unless I was blitzed, I think MAYBE I could put up a somewhat reasonable defense. Certainly I'd leave the cops with some DNA. The classes included both defensive and offensive tactics. I wish I had more practice time with them, but still . . .

    These are the lessons we should teach our daughters. And after that? Perhaps a CCW.
    Funny, I've had the same feelings when being alone with a guy on an elevator, but I've never not gotten into an elevator b/c of it. I think that's just a normal ( initial) reaction based on what ' could' happen. I trust my feelings but am also honest enough to admit when it's my own paranoia. I've never been attacked in an elevator but I do get those feelings whenever I'm alone with a man in one. Because I know these feelings ALWAYS surface,it's not necessarily a spidey sense type of thing.
    I still see nothing wrong with arming yourself especially if you travel alone and are single!
    Last edited by herenow1; 02-18-14 at 10:54 PM.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by herenow1 View Post
    I still see nothing wrong with arming yourself especially if you travel alone and are single!
    I don't either, Herenow1. I just don't think it's enough. Nor do I think it's a particularly effective first line of defense.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Nope the testimony was that she dressed that way to go visit a new born baby-nothing more nothing less
    But does that mean she wanted to have sex? Not necessarily by any means. Maybe she just thinks she looks good in that outfit? Maybe it's her favorite outfit? Maybe she was hoping to meet someone, that doesn't mean she wanted sex either though.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    How so? Clothing does not equal any kind of consent for sexual activity IMO. I don't see how that makes any sense, and it shouldn't be allowed as evidence at all IMO.

    When men see a woman dressed in a very sexy, let alone "slutty", manner, many they tend to think she is advertising some degree of willingness.

    With most men who think this, a firm "no" is sufficient. However, there are a few men for whom "no" is simply a trigger that sets off the worst in them.

    Just sayin'.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Not by clothes!
    Its called intent and intent can be deciphered by the actions that are evident leading up to the dispute of material fact



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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    When men see a woman dressed in a very sexy, let alone "slutty", manner, many they tend to think she is advertising some degree of willingness.

    With most men who think this, a firm "no" is sufficient. However, there are a few men for whom "no" is simply a trigger that sets off the worst in them.

    Just sayin'.
    the problem comes in so called date rape cases where the woman willingly engages in SOME degree of intimacy with the alleged perpetrator but claims that she said NO before the ultimate act. The jury has to decide if she really did say no or changed her mind after she said yes and the act took place. AND yes, that sort of stuff does happen.



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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    But does that mean she wanted to have sex? Not necessarily by any means. Maybe she just thinks she looks good in that outfit? Maybe it's her favorite outfit? Maybe she was hoping to meet someone, that doesn't mean she wanted sex either though.
    true and we don't know when one party to the intercourse said she didn't want to get drilled and the man said she said yes. To determine who is telling the truth, we have to judge which actions-that others witnessed-are more consistent with the conflicting testimony of the only two witnesses to what happened in bed.



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