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  • I suspect women are wearing revealing clothes in most rape cases

    1 0.98%
  • I suspect that a man/woman will rape regardless of the victims clothing

    28 27.45%
  • I think some women are inviting dangerous attention when wearing revealing attire

    6 5.88%
  • I don't think clothes have anything to do with rape

    56 54.90%
  • Other

    11 10.78%
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Again, believe that if you want.

    In practical reality, on the other hand, things are almost never that simple. If a woman's wearing her best pair of booty shorts, spends the whole evening grinding said booty shorts up against some guy's crotch, lets him get her drunk while doing so, follows him to a secluded area afterwards, and then finds herself in an altercation at the end of the night when she says "no" and he tries to press the matter anyway, it cannot be denied that her poor choices ultimately did play a role in allowing the situation to escalate to that point.

    Does that make the man's actions any less wrong? Nope. He should be fried like the rapist scum he is.

    However, this doesn't alter the reality that it is very much in a woman's best interests to avoid the kinds of behaviors and situations which might result in her being victimized in the first place.
    It was not what she was wearing though as much as her actions that were the bad choices. Those actions do not require a person to be in "booty shorts" to lead to the same ending.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by herenow1 View Post
    Since posters are getting upset that the yoga thread keeps getting derailed I will ask this here. Do you think most (true cases- not made up, let's not turn this into he said she said discussion) people who get raped are wearing revealing clothing?
    If you're mean are you asking to get murdered? If you go on vacation are you asking to get robbed?

    It's true that people can make choices that will make them less likely to wind up a victim. But being extremely careful about who you spend time with alone is much more important than whether or not your pants are tight.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It was not what she was wearing though as much as her actions that were the bad choices. Those actions do not require a person to be in "booty shorts" to lead to the same ending.
    Yes, but her choice of clothing almost certainly did play a role in attracting that particular guy's attention in the first place, and forming his perception of her intent.

    Like I said, clothing might only be a contributing factor, but it is still a factor in some cases.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    I fail to see how suggesting that women take the precautions necessary to look for themselves in strange company let's men "off the hook" here at all.

    If you were to see a strange animal wandering aimlessly around your neighborhood, would you not take care to make yourself less vulnerable to a potential attack?

    Sure, if it does try anything, it will almost certainly be put down. However, that's going to be small consolation for anyone unlucky enough to be mauled by the creature in the first place.

    As far as women are concerned, strange men should always be viewed as exactly such animals until proven otherwise. Sure, we can be friendly, but we can also be dangerous, and often times unpredictable as well. This problem only gets worse in a sexually charged environment where perception altering substances are in wide availability.
    And none of this has to do with clothing. There are many more effective ways to take precautions. Women who dress conservatively have and do get raped too.

    I still say it has very little to do with clothing, if at all for most rapists, and more to do with opportunity.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    And none of this has to do with clothing. There are many more effective ways to take precautions. Women who dress conservatively have and do get raped too.

    I still say it has very little to do with clothing, if at all for most rapists, and more to do with opportunity.
    As stated earlier, it is a contributing factor, not the primary cause.

    The major problem with overly suggestive clothing is simply that it draws a great deal of attention to one's self. Sometimes, that attention can be dangerous.

    Again, however; as has already been pointed out, that level of danger can be pretty easily negated in a lot of cases by taking simple, common sense precautions.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    The post I responded to said that was a logical "first precaution." The first precaution is not to put one's self into risky situations.

    That a woman is going to be blitz-attacked in a stranger-rape scenerio is far more likely than someone coming up to them to start a conversation. And far enough away to give a woman time to access a pistol to defend herself. A punch in the face and it's lights out. A choke hold from behind and it's lights out. For the most part, in my opinion, a woman is going to be up close and personal before she even realizes she's a victim.

    Far more effective than carrying a pistol, in my opinion, would be traveling in pairs, not parking in unlit areas, not walking down the street alone at 2 AM, not being tipsy walking alone to one's car, not walking alone to one's car in a covered garage late at night; not inviting a blind date into your home; not being alone with a date you just met on Craig's List. Those and many other sensible precautions would be much more effective than carrying a gun.
    You mean to tell me you always walk in pairs with other women at night? You've never been somewhere later than you intended and found yourself walking to your car in a garage somewhere? I'm all about common sense, but sometimes life happens and you don't always have a bodyguard or two-three other girlfriends with you at the snap of a finger.Sometimes things happen and it causes you to reassess everything you THOUGHT you knew!

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    What you described is a crime of opportunity. It didn't have to do with her clothing. If she was wearing jeans and T-shirt in your scenario, would the rape not have happened?
    That's what I always taught my kids. Dressing provocatively is not the only risk factor. Getting yourself into a situation where some asshole can take advantage of it is even more dangerous.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Yes, but her choice of clothing almost certainly did play a role in attracting that particular guy's attention in the first place, and forming his perception of her intent.

    Like I said, clothing might only be a contributing factor, but it is still a factor in some cases.
    That might not be true at all. If that were the case, rapists would be hanging around at beaches and that is where rapes would occur most often because that is where females are wearing the least clothing. Instead, like another person noted, most rapes are probably occurring at college campuses because that is where the most opportunities are present because the college women are getting too drunk. Those guys aren't looking for the most scantily clad girl but the one who is the most drunk because they think they might be able to get away with it.

    Usually, when women are stalked and raped, it has very little if anything at all to do with their clothing because that is usually someone they know or are acquainted with.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I am really damned tired of this tripe being repeated ad nausea. If men seem to meet this criteria it's because they're guided to do so by society.
    I am no expert on sexuality. There is some evidence that men are more tuned in visually to be able to recognize the female form from afar.( From memory) this is more a holdover from the past. but it was something I read once just in fleeting
    I can't find the link, and have no interest in debating this. reject it if you wish.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you and many others who don't understand trials missed the point
    Do you really think what she was wearing a valid defense for rape?

    What about this? Does this include things such as "what was she wearing?" Perhaps under "opinion evidence?"

    Rape shield law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    In the United States of America[edit]

    In the late 1970s and early 1980s, almost all jurisdictions in the United States adopted some form of rape shield statute. The laws in each state differ according to the scope of sexual behavior shielded and time limits of the shield. Many states do not permit any evidence relating to the past sexual behavior of the victim. This encompasses evidence of specific instances of the victim's prior or subsequent sexual conduct including opinion evidence or reputation evidence.[3]

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