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  • I suspect women are wearing revealing clothes in most rape cases

    1 0.98%
  • I suspect that a man/woman will rape regardless of the victims clothing

    28 27.45%
  • I think some women are inviting dangerous attention when wearing revealing attire

    6 5.88%
  • I don't think clothes have anything to do with rape

    56 54.90%
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    It's not the clothes. It's not power.

    Opportunism, pure and simple.
    This isn't really true either. Opportunity plays a role in how a person might succeed in a rape, but it is not why a person rapes another. The average man or woman would not rape another person even if they were laying in a bed naked and passed out who the person knew did not want to have sex with them. Plenty of women go home or even to a hotel room with men (I do realize that men can be raped and women can be rapists as well, but it happens most often as women being raped and men being the rapist) who did not get raped after telling the man "no", even while sleeping in the same bed with them.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    I really don't think things are quite that simple.

    Some rapes simply escalate out of misunderstandings.
    While I agree, I don't think the misunderstandings would be mainly caused by what clothes a person was wearing. It would be more due to the reactions the person had to the beginnings of sexual activity (PDA, touching, teasing, groping, etc.) and them not firmly stating they were not interested.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    This isn't really true either. Opportunity plays a role in how a person might succeed in a rape, but it is not why a person rapes another. The average man or woman would not rape another person even if they were laying in a bed naked and passed out who the person knew did not want to have sex with them. Plenty of women go home or even to a hotel room with men (I do realize that men can be raped and women can be rapists as well, but it happens most often as women being raped and men being the rapist) who did not get raped after telling the man "no", even while sleeping in the same bed with them.
    Yes - the existing state of mind of being a rapist (whatever that might be - control, etc) has to exist.

    So a rapist is far more likely to take advantage of that situation as opposed to the average person.

    Average people don't commit crimes of that nature.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    I don't know the mind of a rapist. Men do have a more visual stimulation for sex . But rape is both deviant behavior in the extreme as well as a criminal act

    To say what a woman wears is a significant factor doesn't add up. I think the rapist just picks a target, whomever she is. Why women must be careful at all times.

    So called "date rape" seems a bit different, this is prolly more about lack of impulse control, rather then premeditated rape...seems logical.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by herenow1 View Post
    Why would carrying a gun not be a precaution? You're aware that some women have to travel alone and may not always be aware of their upcoming surroundings right? Some women also go on get aways alone too and meet up with friends. You can purposefully avoid certain situations, but not all.
    The post I responded to said that was a logical "first precaution." The first precaution is not to put one's self into risky situations.

    That a woman is going to be blitz-attacked in a stranger-rape scenerio is far more likely than someone coming up to them to start a conversation. And far enough away to give a woman time to access a pistol to defend herself. A punch in the face and it's lights out. A choke hold from behind and it's lights out. For the most part, in my opinion, a woman is going to be up close and personal before she even realizes she's a victim.

    Far more effective than carrying a pistol, in my opinion, would be traveling in pairs, not parking in unlit areas, not walking down the street alone at 2 AM, not being tipsy walking alone to one's car, not walking alone to one's car in a covered garage late at night; not inviting a blind date into your home; not being alone with a date you just met on Craig's List. Those and many other sensible precautions would be much more effective than carrying a gun.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    I really don't think things are quite that simple.

    Some rapes simply escalate out of misunderstandings.
    An escalation relies on an existing situation - again, not clothing.

    Situations like: they're making out - and she says no... Or she's wasted drunk and can't say no... etc.

    I don't see how the ensemble matters much when the main roadblock is the physical prowess of the victim and their ability to fight back/yell for help (etc). . . and of course you always need some asshole.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Monserrat View Post
    If witnesses are allowed to testify over what the woman was wearing then the woman has a really ****ty lawyer and/or lives in a really ****ty state.

    What a woman is wearing doesn't make a man rape her, the man being a scumbag and/or evil and/or having severe psychological issues concerning a need for power and control is what makes him rape her. A good man would never do that regardless of what she was wearing.
    you and many others who don't understand trials missed the point



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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    Men do have a more visual stimulation for sex .
    I am really damned tired of this tripe being repeated ad nausea. If men seem to meet this criteria it's because they're guided to do so by society.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    I have no idea. But I would assume that there is a correlation between clothing and alcohol and rape. People dress up in "provocative" clothing when they go out to party and sites of partying may be a target rich environment for rapists.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    While I agree, I don't think the misunderstandings would be mainly caused by what clothes a person was wearing. It would be more due to the reactions the person had to the beginnings of sexual activity (PDA, touching, teasing, groping, etc.) and them not firmly stating they were not interested.
    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    An escalation relies on an existing situation - again, not clothing.

    Situations like: they're making out - and she says no... Or she's wasted drunk and can't say no... etc.

    I don't see how the ensemble matters much when the main roadblock is the physical prowess of the victim and their ability to fight back/yell for help (etc). . . and of course you always need some asshole.
    I never said that clothing was the major factor, only a contributing factor. A woman can dress as "sexily" as she wants and be perfectly fine so long as she is careful about the company she keeps and does not take foolish risks like partying alone or getting overly intoxicated.

    The major problem with provocative clothing is simply that it tends to draw the wrong kind of attention from certain types of men. This can sometimes be dangerous, depending upon the other factors at play.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Yes - the existing state of mind of being a rapist (whatever that might be - control, etc) has to exist.

    So a rapist is far more likely to take advantage of that situation as opposed to the average person.

    Average people don't commit crimes of that nature.
    Absolutely true. Generally speaking, it requires a certain kind of personality type to rape.

    I've actually had the "hotel room no nookie" scenario Roguenuke was describing earlier happen to me before after a night out dancing. My first impulse certainly wasn't to take the sex I desired by force.

    I simply left.

    However, you can hardly deny that there are certain men out there who will not take the blow to their ego this represents so easily. Sometimes dressing in a certain manner can draw their attention, or contribute to misunderstandings of basic intent which might possibly result in a rape scenario further down the line.

    This is why it is generally advisable to take other precautions.
    Last edited by Gathomas88; 02-18-14 at 10:22 PM.

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