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  • I suspect women are wearing revealing clothes in most rape cases

    1 0.98%
  • I suspect that a man/woman will rape regardless of the victims clothing

    28 27.45%
  • I think some women are inviting dangerous attention when wearing revealing attire

    6 5.88%
  • I don't think clothes have anything to do with rape

    56 54.90%
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Thread: Rape and Clothing

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Women who wear provocative clothing are inviting unwanted attention - some of it can be dangerous.
    "Provocative" is open to interpretation. Even today, go to certain remote communities and it's your red lipstick. It's a stupid, unfair argument that we shouldn't subscribe to. Unless a woman has "please ****me" accross her chest, I don't see that she can be held in any way responsible for a rape/sexual assault.

    I invite unwanted attention in certain areas of the US and certain Eastern European countries when I walk down the street as a white woman with my black boyfriend. Some of it can be dangerous. Is my reaction to hide and give in to racism? Hell no.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    There is a crazy disconnect happening here. Both have merit and deserve discussion. There are two conversations that are getting comingled to the extent that it's detracting from both of them. Which was my main point earlier (when I was told I made a bad interpretation of things). Apparently I did not because it's playing out right here in this very thread.

    1. Rape. Why does it happen? A number of reasons but it's never the fault of the victim. I don't see really any disagreement here.

    2. Personal safety. Avoiding situations that are likely to become dangerous. In the vast majority of cases this will not save you from being raped. But it's common sense and a discussion worth having. Nobody can protect you if you don't protect yourself first. I don't see really any disagreement here either.

    But somehow, when these things are discussed as one topic it goes off the rails. It looks like a bunch of things are getting lost in the translation of thoughts to type written word. The intent is getting covered up in the avalanche of people going for their guns. I think some people are deliberately itching for a fight on this topic, which while not surprising, is still ridiculous.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    This Thread would be a good question at a GOP Senate primary debate, especially in Georgia and North Carolina .
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    In the republicon party rape can be viewed a legitimate or illegitamate.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    The OP seems to be suggesting that rapists are planning to rape and then choose a victim. The majority of rapes are committed by people known to the victim. They have personal relationships, sometimes romantic, sometimes familial, sometimes professional. They are the result not of a momentary stimulus, but of a preexisting situation.

    The image of a stranger in a dark alley just doesn't square with reality.
    Spot on. The instances of "stranger" rape are far fewer than rape by a person known to the victim.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    There is a crazy disconnect happening here. There are two conversations that are getting comingled to the extent that it's detracting from both of them. Both have merit and deserve discussion. Which was my main point earlier (when I was told I made a bad interpretation of things). Apparently I did not because it's playing out right here in this very thread.

    1. Rape. Why does it happen? A number of reasons but it's never the fault of the victim. I don't see really any disagreement here.

    2. Personal safety. Avoiding situations that are likely to become dangerous. In the vast majority of cases this will not save you from being raped. But it's common sense and a discussion worth having. Nobody can protect you if you don't protect yourself first. I don't see really any disagreement here either.

    But somehow, when these things are discussed as one topic it goes off the rails. It looks like a bunch of things are getting lost in the translation of thoughts to type written word. The intent is getting covered up in the avalanche of people going for their guns. I think some people are deliberately itching for a fight on this topic, which while not surprising, is still ridiculous.
    I agree with everything you said! People seem to forget that sometimes it happens not b/c you're NOT avoiding situations. Sometimes it's unexpected, and the girl didn't make poor choices or put herself somewhere she shouldn't have been. Sometimes it happens unexpectedly!

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by herenow1 View Post
    I agree with everything you said! People seem to forget that sometimes it happens not b/c you're NOT avoiding situations. Sometimes it's unexpected, and the girl didn't make poor choices or put herself somewhere she shouldn't have been. Sometimes it happens unexpectedly!


    Absolutely true, and even if a girl made poor choices I would not blame *her* for getting raped... but at the same time I think we need to recognize that poor choices frequently lead into it, and thus making better choices reduces your risks.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by herenow1 View Post
    Since posters are getting upset that the yoga thread keeps getting derailed I will ask this here. Do you think most (true cases- not made up, let's not turn this into he said she said discussion) people who get raped are wearing revealing clothing?
    It is absolute and complete bull, and nothing but either a statement from ignorance or an attempt to sexually shame women.

    Most rapes are committed by someone the target knows, and knows well, and the majority of rapes are planned.

    Your average rape happens when a woman is wearing jeans and a t-shirt, perpetuated by someone who is supposed to love her, but has actually been planning to assault her for the power rush for days or weeks.

    Not that it matters. Women are not responsible for the repulsive actions of others, and to make rape an issue of clothing is to claim men are equivalent to rabid dogs.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    The first precaution is not to put yourself in risky atmospheres. The "first precaution" is hardly carrying a gun.



    Unsavory neighborhoods? I agree. What sane woman does that? And yet. An enclosed parking garage very late at night...parked-around-the-corner-from-the-club late at night...using a large parking lot as a meeting/drop-off place late at night...getting into an elevator with someone who makes the hairs on your neck stand up...using stairwells...all of these things are done by women every single day of the week. Risky behavior, in my opinion.
    Why would carrying a gun not be a precaution? You're aware that some women have to travel alone and may not always be aware of their upcoming surroundings right? Some women also go on get aways alone too, and meet up with friends. You can purposefully avoid certain situations, but not all.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    What page was it on? I read the question but lost the post so I can't quote it.

    Someone asked 'what is a crime of opportunity'

    Crime of opportunity is a criminal-psychology theory in which the perpetrator seeks out an adequate victim to suit their desired MO with minimal risk and effort.

    Talking about rape makes it complicated (though the main need is privacy) - focus on something else (like a mugging) and it puts it into easier focus: someone who isn't able to fight back and who might be carrying adequate money. Little old ladies with purses - for example. Or someone standing at an ATM. Men are less likely to be mugged because they are more likely to be physically on par or superior to the perpetrator - or armed (statistically speaking, males conceal carry at a higher rate).

    When talking about rape - knowing that most happen from a known assailant - the opportunity would be privacy and existing proximity. Privacy minimizes risk of being caught by someone else and lets them control the situation and the existing knowledge of said individual facilitates comfort which increases closeness between the per and the potential victim.
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