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  • I suspect women are wearing revealing clothes in most rape cases

    1 0.98%
  • I suspect that a man/woman will rape regardless of the victims clothing

    28 27.45%
  • I think some women are inviting dangerous attention when wearing revealing attire

    6 5.88%
  • I don't think clothes have anything to do with rape

    56 54.90%
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Because you are shifting responsibility to the victim. It implies a passive acceptance or "boys will be boys" attitude that enables such behavior on the part of men.
    There's a difference between blaming the victim and acknowledging the real fact that actions and choices have potential consequences.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    A rapist doesn't rape because someone is dressed provocatively. Rape is rarely ever spontaneous. A rape is almost always premeditated on some level. In most cases the rapist knows his/her victim.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    if she says no you don't get a pass.
    That's a terrible argument. If a guy is raping somebody, he isn't interested in following the rules. Is it easier to rape a girl wearing a skirt or wearing blue jeans? This is the logic of a criminal.

    The criminal doesn't base his decisions based upon what is allowed or what is not allowed. He doesn't care about getting "a pass". He already gave himself a pass. He doesn't need a pass from you or me.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Because you are shifting responsibility to the victim. It implies a passive acceptance or "boys will be boys" attitude that enables such behavior on the part of men.
    I fail to see how suggesting that women take the precautions necessary to look for themselves in strange company let's men "off the hook" here at all.

    If you were to see a strange animal wandering aimlessly around your neighborhood, would you not take care to make yourself less vulnerable to a potential attack?

    Sure, if it does try anything, it will almost certainly be put down. However, that's going to be small consolation for anyone unlucky enough to be mauled by the creature in the first place.

    As far as women are concerned, strange men should always be viewed as exactly such animals until proven otherwise. Sure, we can be friendly, but we can also be dangerous, and often times unpredictable as well. This problem only gets worse in a sexually charged environment where perception altering substances are in wide availability.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    There's a difference between blaming the victim and acknowledging the real fact that actions and choices have potential consequences.
    I understand that point but we have to be cognizant of the impact the way we conduct this conversation has on the outcomes. The conversation about keeping yourself safe in general can be conducted but not with a distinction as to how to keep yourself safe from rape. It is impossible to avoid the implication that the women is somehow to blame if you do that.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    There's a difference between blaming the victim and acknowledging the real fact that actions and choices have potential consequences.
    The only problem I have with this is that when it's applied to this conversation it begins to be interpreted as meaning that there are some cases where the victim was complicit in their own rape. This is simply not the case with rape. There is never a mitigating circumstance in an actual rape, never.

    That being said I understand exactly what you are getting at. Kind of like "don't walk into a crowd of Hoover Crips and yell the N-word because you're probably gonna get killed." Regardless there is no justification for the violence in either case.

    Edit: Let me be clear Cephus...I'm not saying you are making a case that a victim is complicit. I think they are two different sub-discussions I guess. Be smart and protect yourself. At the end of the day discussing why rape happens is one thing, preventing yourself from being raped is another.
    Last edited by Lerxst; 02-18-14 at 08:38 PM.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    I fail to see how suggesting that women take the precautions necessary to look for themselves in strange company let's men "off the hook" at all here.

    If you were to see a strange animal wandering aimlessly around your neighborhood, would you not take care to make yourself less vulnerable to a potential attack?

    Sure, if it does try anything, it will almost certainly be put down. However, that's going to be small consolation for anyone unlucky enough to be mauled by the creature in the meantime.

    As far as women are concerned, strange men should always be viewed as exactly such animals until proven otherwise. Sure, we can be friendly, but we can also be dangerous, and often times unpredictable as well. This problem only gets worse in a sexually charged environment where perception altering substances are in wide availability.
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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Only a string bikini. A tankini is just to allow men a quick glance. Not asking for it then.
    Well there you have it then.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by herenow1 View Post
    Since posters are getting upset that the yoga thread keeps getting derailed I will ask this here. Do you think most (true cases- not made up, let's not turn this into he said she said discussion) people who get raped are wearing revealing clothing?
    You probably won't die if you refuse to wear a seat belt but it's a good idea to take extra precaution. It's the same thing. If various body parts are easily accessible, you take an added risk. This isn't really a matter of discussion or public policy. The individual woman just gets to decide if she wants to take on the additional risk or not. It's really her decision.

    One time I had $400 stolen out of my car. One of my co-workers tried to tell me that I shouldn't have left the money out where it could be seen. I was offended that he was making me out to be the criminal when I was in fact the victim. On the other hand. He was right. I was taking an unnecessary risk by carrying cash while on vacation. It wasn't about giving the criminal a free pass since I was a dummie for leaving money in my car. It was about minimizing my risk.

    Just because a woman takes on additional risk and ends up getting raped this doesn't mean the criminal is any less wrong for the crimes he commits. It doesn't make the woman a criminal either. It just means she's a high roller and doesn't mind taking a gamble.

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    Re: Rape and Clothing

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I understand that point but we have to be cognizant of the impact the way we conduct this conversation has on the outcomes. The issue of keeping yourself safe in general can be conducted but not with a distinction as to how to keep yourself safe from rape. It is impossible to avoid the implication that the women is somehow to blame if you do that.
    No, that's simply an imaginary implication that you're insisting exists, but doesn't really. The only one to blame for rape is the rapist. If there is a rapist and they are out there to rape someone, isn't it the best option for yourself to make yourself the least likely target of that rape? If someone is going to get a bullet in the head, it makes sense, from a personal standpoint, to do whatever you can to avoid that head being yours.
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