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Poll for men only please, regarding sex with younger women[W:74]

As a young man (early 20s) would you date a 15 or 16 year old?

  • Sure, why not?

    Votes: 13 15.1%
  • Hell no!

    Votes: 73 84.9%

  • Total voters
    86
Re: Poll for men only please, regarding sex with younger women

Being attracted to young, beautiful women is natural.
Sexual exploitation, which is what it usually is when it involves a 20 something man and an almost woman, is morally wrong, always.

Lets face it, low 20 something men are not exactly the most mature of individuals.
 
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That's my point.

The OP mentions dating. Guess I'm old because that to me does not usually mean sexual exploitation but some kind of extended relationship that may or may not include sex. But then, I also consider dating as the interview process for progressing to a higher status.
 
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The OP mentions dating. Guess I'm old because that to me does not usually mean sexual exploitation but some kind of extended relationship that may or may not include sex. But then, I also consider dating as the interview process for progressing to a higher status.

You must be as old as me, lol.
 
Re: Poll for men only please, regarding sex with younger women

Ethically or morally wrong. Why is that? Was it morally wrong when brides were younger in past eras? Note though, I did mention social custom above - this is what I was referring to - people being taught that it is wrong. My question to you is why, as a blanket rule which always applies, this is wrong?

In the past both actual laws and social norms required women to have a dependency upon men economically. This is no longer so. However, in my prior messages I noted my stance if a bit different if the specific all is marriage rather than just someone to **** and mess around with.

In my view, the immorality is it is akin to a dirty old man tempting children with candy. Teenage years until the teen is past high school and away from home are unique and formative years that can never be returned to. Many young people wish they were older for more rights and more mobility. Most 13 year olds wish they were older and many could be tempted by offered to life an "adult" life.

It is "always wrong" (other than I allow a bit more range if the goal is marriage) because it is stealing the youth of a young person by tempting they with an adult life they are not old enough to have and in doing so denying them every having that youth.

Your argument could be used to justify sex with an 8 year old, just a 15 year old, and there are cultures where marriage to or sex with an 8 old is legal. There also have been cultures where it was legal to rape any female of any age if a different race etc. "It used to be..." of itself is never a valid argument.

To claim it's fine is to claim it is fine to steal a teenagers youth for sexual purposes by bribery and temptation. People do all sorts of things that are self destructive - particularly teens - that are wrong and that permanently mess up their heads and their lives.
 
The general norm is that people who go to high school together are okay to date each other so if an 18 year old senior dates a 14 year old, not many people are going to have a problem with that (PLEASE CONSULT YOUR STATE'S STATUTORY RAPE LAW THOUGH). So, 20-16.....not so bad I'm 41 now, married, two kids. I was 21 and working in a deli over the summer and there was a 16 year old chick and frankly I thought she was hot, BUT her age did make me stop.....I did ask her birthday, hoping she'd hit what I thought was the age of consent, but which in actuality wasn't!
 
Re: Poll for men only please, regarding sex with younger women

Ethically or morally wrong. Why is that? Was it morally wrong when brides were younger in past eras? Note though, I did mention social custom above - this is what I was referring to - people being taught that it is wrong. My question to you is why, as a blanket rule which always applies, this is wrong?

Excellent question. It was not considered wrong when my grandmother married my grandfather- she was 15 years old, he was 5 years older than she. They married, had 8 kids, and stayed married until he died in his mid-80's. It wasn't a question of moral values, as age alone doesn't determine the morality or ethics of a relationship.
 
Re: Poll for men only please, regarding sex with younger women

When I was in that age range it went something like this.

When in high school - you could date a high school chick, but not a junior high school chick.
A senior guy in high school would never date a freshman girl either.

When in college - you dated a college chick, but not a high school chick.

A college kid dating a high schooler was called "Chester". Chester the molester.

So a 20 year old "man" would never knowingly date or score with a a 16 year old "girl".

However - a 30 year old guy hittin a 23 or 24 year old.......hell, a 40 year old guy hittin a 25 year old.....is that okay or not?
 
While I was very cautious to obtain very, very clear consent, in general I was not a gentle person, not a nice guy, and I was not a nice, gentle lover. It had nothing to do with love or respect to me back then.

With me, it's because it causes pain and harm to another person's relationship. Life is enough of a bitch without purposely trying to make it worse for all involved.
 
Re: Poll for men only please, regarding sex with younger women

You must be as old as me, lol.

I haven't hit the big 5 oh yet, but it is less than a year and a half away.

I personally don't think there is anything wrong with young/old relationships. But below a certain age, I just don't know what they would have in common or even how they communicate these days. I have nephews that are still teenagers and for the life of me I swear sometimes they are speaking some alien tongue, not English. Also, their energy level would kill me trying to keep up with them.

Nope, those young women may be pretty to look at, but to me at least, looking at is about all they are good for.
 
Re: Poll for men only please, regarding sex with younger women

Lets face it, low 20 something men are not exactly the most mature of individuals.

Wait, what? If a 16 year old girl doesn't find a 20 something man mature, then she would have better luck finding a mature boyfriend in her same-age peer group? I know that I'm missing something in the conversation here.
 
Re: Poll for men only please, regarding sex with younger women

No plans, but you're married. I don't do married. :lol:

I had almost no restrictions in my past other than I did not do "married" OR those involved with someone else, no virgins and no teens - because those seemed both wrong AND unwise. Nor was I attracted to "innocence" or "youth" generally (some exception I suppose since I married innocent youth - though resisted for over a year and not until she turned 20 and then not until married), because among other things beside being wrong because they were young or with someone else, but also because I figured they more easily harmed, probably not very skilled, and not very strong emotionally. Nor did I want to find myself in a fight with another man over a women IF she was with him. If not? Then possibly if that his choice.

I have changed/evolved in many ways. While I was very cautious to obtain very, very clear consent, in general I was not a gentle person, not a nice guy, and I was not a nice, gentle lover. It had nothing to do with love or respect to me back then. I wished the woman to at least not all broken up about it if she didn't like how it went after consent was given. She could be pissed off if that how she felt, but I didn't want her to feel destroyed or ruined somehow. So if an experienced harden woman furious cursed me out? Well, I guess it didn't go how she hoped. Someone throwing away her marriage of some innocent or youth teen sobbing away or deciding she was completely in love with me and I putting her out have gotten what I wanted and now only hope she goes away? No way.

What is the answer of those saying "sure, a 23 year old with a 15 year old" is fine, when that 15 year old decides she is totally and desperately in love with him and goes suicidal when he doesn't want her anymore? Sadly, there men for which that would particularly stroke his ego. Some men want to conquer and ruin a woman in some power or possessiveness sense. Taking another man's wife to belittle him and/or wreck her life is a big thrill to some men. They also would get their kicked out of messing of young girls too.
 
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When I was 27 I met and fell in love with a 19 year old. We are together still today and he will be 30 very soon. It was difficult with that age gap. Somebody younger, that would likely not be possible. Theonly reason it worked between Evan and I is because we were madly in love.
 
Re: Poll for men only please, regarding sex with younger women

When I was in that age range it went something like this.

When in high school - you could date a high school chick, but not a junior high school chick.
A senior guy in high school would never date a freshman girl either.

When in college - you dated a college chick, but not a high school chick.

A college kid dating a high schooler was called "Chester". Chester the molester.

So a 20 year old "man" would never knowingly date or score with a a 16 year old "girl".


However - a 30 year old guy hittin a 23 or 24 year old.......hell, a 40 year old guy hittin a 25 year old.....is that okay or not?

Frankly, I think that's exactly the issue here.

I really don't believe that most of this has to do with the actual "maturity levels" involved, so much as the way our society has "institutionalized" the process of growing up. We've basically got everyone divided into little boxes determined by their age group.

Mid to late teens, everyone's stuck in the "High School" box. As such, the only people they really interact with socially are young adults in their own age range. After that point, they move on to the "college" box, where they mostly interact with people of that age. These two groups each have their own distinct "culture," and any real interaction between them is generally something that a person has to deliberately go out of their way to break social norms to seek out, as it requires finding environments for socialization outside of their age group's usual preference.

The horizons don't really broaden to include the whole rest of the playing field until a person gets out of school entirely and joins the post-grad labor force.

In the past, this really wouldn't have been the case. Most people would have lived in fairly small and insular communities, where pretty much everyone knew and interacted with everyone else, and a great deal of education wouldn't have been necessary to ensure professional success. As such, there really wouldn't have been much of an artificially enforced distinction between twenty somethings and teens. They all would've simply been considered to be young, post-pubescent unmarried persons.

Under those circumstances, where no real social or cultural distinction between the age groups in question could've been said to exist, having a 16 year old "farmer's daughter" hook up with a 23 year old butcher or baker's son really wouldn't have been that strange at all. It would've even been desirable, as the community would already pretty much know the character of the man in question, and he would generally be a bit more established by that age anyway.

The fear that he was simply some "predator" out looking to score naïve teeny bopper tail wouldn't really have been a factor.
 
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When I was 27 I met and fell in love with a 19 year old. We are together still today and he will be 30 very soon. It was difficult with that age gap. Somebody younger, that would likely not be possible. Theonly reason it worked between Evan and I is because we were madly in love.

I can relate to that. Her 19 and looking 15. I 28 looking 35. Who resisted was me, because of her youth and innocence. She knew exactly what she was doing, wanted, and why. It took over a year for me to realize it. But the reality was we were totally infatuated with each other from the very start and this had never changed.
 
Re: Poll for men only please, regarding sex with younger women

As such, there really wouldn't have been much of an artificially enforced distinction between twenty somethings and teens. They all would've simply been considered to be young, post-pubescent unmarried persons.

I think that teen culture is toxic. I think that hook-up culture at college is damaging to young women. If I could impose my preference on my daughters' romantic lives and I had to make a choice between the following two scenarios:

1.) Same age (17) male who is a typical young man; or
2.) A 24 or 26 year old young man who I knew for some time, who I thought was of good character, who I thought my daughter would find appealing and thought would be good for my daughter;

Then I would choose #2.

Notice the disparity in the descriptions. Not any 20+ guy is OK, it has to be a guy who I know, or believe, won't harm my daughter, will have good influence on my daughter, who my daughter would find attractive and who she would admire and have fun with and who could open her eyes to new experiences.

I suppose the problem is allowing young girls to choose the 20+ year old guys. Now the issue becomes the criteria by which they're choosing such young men and the motives, and character, of the young men.
 
Re: Poll for men only please, regarding sex with younger women

Lets face it, low 20 something men are not exactly the most mature of individuals.

No, most of us don't make our best decisions at that age.
 
Re: Poll for men only please, regarding sex with younger women

I think that teen culture is toxic. I think that hook-up culture at college is damaging to young women. If I could impose my preference on my daughters' romantic lives and I had to make a choice between the following two scenarios:

1.) Same age (17) male who is a typical young man; or
2.) A 24 or 26 year old young man who I knew for some time, who I thought was of good character, who I thought my daughter would find appealing and thought would be good for my daughter;

Then I would choose #2.

Notice the disparity in the descriptions. Not any 20+ guy is OK, it has to be a guy who I know, or believe, won't harm my daughter, will have good influence on my daughter, who my daughter would find attractive and who she would admire and have fun with and who could open her eyes to new experiences.

I suppose the problem is allowing young girls to choose the 20+ year old guys. Now the issue becomes the criteria by which they're choosing such young men and the motives, and character, of the young men.

When I was dating age, my parents trusted me to choose guys of good character to go out with. I did not let them down. The few guys I dated were usually 3 to 5 years older than I, and my parents could trust them with me. I think that much of it depends on the girl, and what she is looking for, and whether or not she will remain true to her own desires, rather than compromising.
 
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I think that teen culture is toxic. I think that hook-up culture at college is damaging to young women.

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I suppose the problem is allowing young girls to choose the 20+ year old guys. Now the issue becomes the criteria by which they're choosing such young men and the motives, and character, of the young men.

Absolutely. Modern youth culture is little better than the "blind leading the blind."

The notion of "extended adolescence" is easily one of the most damaging in all of modern society.
 
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When I was dating age, my parents trusted me to choose guys of good character to go out with. I did not let them down. The few guys I dated were usually 3 to 5 years older than I, and my parents could trust them with me. I think that much of it depends on the girl, and what she is looking for, and whether or not she will remain true to her own desires, rather than compromising.

I don't disagree but there is a problem here - the network effect. Gathomas88 mentioned this upthread - where does a 16 year old girl get to meet 23 year old guys?

I meet guys that age at work, at sports clubs, at the gym, etc. My social world has a broader base than what I see for most teenagers but I don't claim to be an expert on teenagers.

Secondly, when we were dating was a different age. Sure, every parent of every generation says something to the same effect, but when the actual interpersonal dynamics between boys and girls changes so drastically that girls, in effect, become the pursuers, then we're in a different world and the problem which arises here is that teen girls are socializing each other and teen boys do the same, so parental attitudes, forged from their own experiences as teenagers, are vastly divergent from what is going on today.
 
Re: Poll for men only please, regarding sex with younger women

I don't disagree but there is a problem here - the network effect. Gathomas88 mentioned this upthread - where does a 16 year old girl get to meet 23 year old guys?

I meet guys that age at work, at sports clubs, at the gym, etc. My social world has a broader base than what I see for most teenagers but I don't claim to be an expert on teenagers.

Secondly, when we were dating was a different age. Sure, every parent of every generation says something to the same effect, but when the actual interpersonal dynamics between boys and girls changes so drastically that girls, in effect, become the pursuers, then we're in a different world and the problem which arises here is that teen girls are socializing each other and teen boys do the same, so parental attitudes, forged from their own experiences as teenagers, are vastly divergent from what is going on today.
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In my case, it was usually at work, at church, or hanging out with my friends at some of the college functions (sports, concerts, etc).
 
Re: Poll for men only please, regarding sex with younger women

The title of the thread, the question, and the OP are all slightly different. 16 for a female is comparable to 18 for a male. There are early bloomers and late bloomers but the vast majority of the time, a 16 year old girl is an adult and a 15 year old girl is a child. I voted 'no', but there are exceptions. There are many factors to consider. Some people have good intentions and some people have bad intentions. There's a lot of room for disagreement over what is and isn't good intentions, but there are some things that are definitely bad. If the guy OR THE GIRL is trying to take advantage of the other's naivete, that's bad, and the older one isn't always the one with greater street smarts. I asked out a 16 year old girl when I was 23, but I was madly in love with her and wanted to marry her. I also don't believe in premarital sex. She was extremely sweet and innocent, and that made her seem naive to some people, but she had a strong will and plenty of street smarts.
 
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