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Thread: Poll for men only please, regarding sex with younger women[W:74]

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    Re: Poll for men only please, regarding sex with younger women

    Don't matter if you're 23 or 53.

    Fifteen will get you twenty.

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    Re: Poll for men only please, regarding sex with younger women[W:74]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I mean generally speaking. Most college-aged guys are going to the bars nowadays. Of course, there are exceptions to every rule.

    Thinking about it, I don't think I'd really want my 15-year-old daughter going to college parties.
    Why not try thinking of a best case scenario? Are you a church going man? Do you belong to any social clubs? I met my FIL before I met his daughter. Every pairing up between men and women doesn't have to be at a bar.

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    Re: Poll for men only please, regarding sex with younger women[W:74]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    My junior year-my suite had 3 Episcopalians, three Jews (one reformed, one Conservative and one orthodox) and David Broder's son who was half and half!. the Orthodox Jewish guy's Rabbi would drop by to discuss things with him and welcomed the rest of us in the discussions. He seemed to be well versed in just about anything. Two of the guys in the suite were bonafide math geniuses (one earned the Rhodes Scholarship, the other won a bunch of awards in math) and this rabbi could discuss intricate mathematical problems with them as well as many other things.

    No doubt in my mind rabbis tend to be the best educated of all the clergy I have ever met
    You guys must have had some interesting discussions! Lol!

    I've got to say, the beginning of that sounded like it was going to be a joke!

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    Re: Poll for men only please, regarding sex with younger women[W:74]

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Why not try thinking of a best case scenario? Are you a church going man? Do you belong to any social clubs? I met my FIL before I met his daughter. Every pairing up between men and women doesn't have to be at a bar.
    Well, I'm not a man and no, I don't go to church.

    Of course, they wouldn't be meeting 15-year-olds at the bar most of the time. And I'm talking in general, not the exceptions to the rule. For the most part, young teens and people in the mid 20s would be doing different things, have different circles of friends, etc. Even if they did intermingle, I would think that in most situations the 20-somethings would be find girls around his own age to be more intriguing. I hate to say it but most 20-somethings that would be interested in girls that young would be because they think they are easy to take advantage of and would only want to use them for sexual purposes. Just being honest.

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    Re: Poll for men only please, regarding sex with younger women[W:74]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I would think that in most situations the 20-somethings would be find girls around his own age to be more intriguing.
    Well, most guys aren't interested in girls because they're intriguing, because they're not. They're usually exciting, exasperating, bewildering, infuriating but rarely do guys think "That girl is intriguing." Guys will go after younger girls because the guys are interested in sex and they're similarly motivated with same-age girls. The reverse is also true though. The guys who are looking for relationships are looking for emotional chemistry, not a debating partner and that emotional chemistry, I believe, isn't as age-constrained as you imagine it to be. A relationship is about how two people interact and a sustained relationship is about how two people interact with each other while simultaneously developing their individual interests and personality. If there is emotional chemistry and respect present, then the immaturity of one partner is dealt with in some fashion just as same-age relationships deal with issues like one partner having an STD or having a scarred heart from a brutal break-up. People work with the limitations which present themselves.

    I hate to say it but most 20-somethings that would be interested in girls that young would be because they think they are easy to take advantage of and would only want to use them for sexual purposes. Just being honest.
    Sure, I acknowledged that in my very first post in this thread.

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    Re: Poll for men only please, regarding sex with younger women[W:74]

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Well, most guys aren't interested in girls because they're intriguing, because they're not. They're usually exciting, exasperating, bewildering, infuriating but rarely do guys think "That girl is intriguing." Guys will go after younger girls because the guys are interested in sex and they're similarly motivated with same-age girls. The reverse is also true though. The guys who are looking for relationships are looking for emotional chemistry, not a debating partner and that emotional chemistry, I believe, isn't as age-constrained as you imagine it to be. A relationship is about how two people interact and a sustained relationship is about how two people interact with each other while simultaneously developing their individual interests and personality. If there is emotional chemistry and respect present, then the immaturity of one partner is dealt with in some fashion just as same-age relationships deal with issues like one partner having an STD or having a scarred heart from a brutal break-up. People work with the limitations which present themselves.



    Sure, I acknowledged that in my very first post in this thread.
    I'm trying to think of just ONE relationship that I'm aware of (nowadays of course) where a 15-year-old is having a very "serious" relationship with anyone, and I think it's pretty rare. They just aren't really that interested in adult relationships at that age and they don't understand commitment. They ARE immature as hell generally speaking. I'm sorry, but I just see a relationship such as you describe as more like babysitting for the 20-year-old, except for the sex part. I certainly don't think it's in a 15-year-old girl's best interest to be involved with a man in his 20s, but I am not unrealistic and I realize that sometimes people in their 20s and teens may get together. I STILL think 15 is much TOO young though. Some girls haven't even gotten their periods yet!

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    Re: Poll for men only please, regarding sex with younger women

    Quote Originally Posted by Robbie Loucks View Post
    I'm eighteen and I'd date a 15/16 year old, but I won't vote in the poll.
    I realized that 12 and 13 year olds often look like 15-16 years olds and will sometimes lie about their age. Then I remembered my senior year of high school and I thought a chick I was dating was 23 but she was 18. Of course one friend of mine in Southern California avoids the problem altogether and he mostly tries to hook up with cougars and he's had some success.
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    Re: Poll for men only please, regarding sex with younger women[W:74]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I'm trying to think of just ONE relationship that I'm aware of (nowadays of course) where a 15-year-old is having a very "serious" relationship with anyone, and I think it's pretty rare.
    It doesn't have to be only a 15 year old. You could think 16 and 17 too. The best vantage place to see such relationships is from the point of view of same-age girls or from 20-something young men. Do you know many people who fit into those groups? Upthread some women have chimed in with their own experiences. They met these guys at church. Church is not usually a fertile hunting ground for one-night stands. Understand that I'm not arguing the position that this is common and that when some guys are on the prowl SPECIFICALLY for young girls that they're not after sex and only sex. My point is simple - these young women are attractive. Neoteny is an appealing trait. Women lose beauty and sex appeal as they age. There is a ramp-up effect in their mid teens, where an older teen is actually more attractive than a younger teen, but the apex isn't too far off. The bloom of youth is a fact. My second point is that when lightning strikes it strikes - guys and girls who aren't searching for age-disparate romance often times find themselves realizing that something has kindled between two friends. Clearly the guys here weren't the ones out cruising for young girls to take advantage of.

    They just aren't really that interested in adult relationships at that age and they don't understand commitment.
    This though is not a function of biology, it's a function of peer socializing and cultural signals. Because this is a matter of socialization, there will always be young girls who defy the crowd. They are ready to take on an adult relationship and they do understand commitment because that's the choice that they're making. I'm not seeing the mechanism which allows a 21 year old virgin women, never having been kissed before, to understand how relationships and commitment work. This isn't something which we all pick up through osmosis.

    They ARE immature as hell generally speaking.
    That's the natural birth control to which I was referring to earlier in the thread.

    I'm sorry, but I just see a relationship such as you describe as more like babysitting for the 20-year-old, except for the sex part.
    As others have already pointed out in this thread, I think you're granting too much credit to the maturity of young men. Look, if you construct a scenario of polar opposites, the most immature 16 year old girl you can imagine and pair her with the most mature 21 year old man you can imagine, then sure, that's likely a babysitting scenario but it's also unlikely that they'd ever pair up.

    I certainly don't think it's in a 15-year-old girl's best interest to be involved with a man in his 20s,
    And therein lies a debate.

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    Re: Poll for men only please, regarding sex with younger women

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    You're demonstrating why.

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    You're an ass with little respect for women. We get it.

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    Re: Poll for men only please, regarding sex with younger women[W:74]

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    It doesn't have to be only a 15 year old. You could think 16 and 17 too. The best vantage place to see such relationships is from the point of view of same-age girls or from 20-something young men. Do you know many people who fit into those groups? Upthread some women have chimed in with their own experiences. They met these guys at church. Church is not usually a fertile hunting ground for one-night stands. Understand that I'm not arguing the position that this is common and that when some guys are on the prowl SPECIFICALLY for young girls that they're not after sex and only sex. My point is simple - these young women are attractive. Neoteny is an appealing trait. Women lose beauty and sex appeal as they age. There is a ramp-up effect in their mid teens, where an older teen is actually more attractive than a younger teen, but the apex isn't too far off. The bloom of youth is a fact. My second point is that when lightning strikes it strikes - guys and girls who aren't searching for age-disparate romance often times find themselves realizing that something has kindled between two friends. Clearly the guys here weren't the ones out cruising for young girls to take advantage of.



    This though is not a function of biology, it's a function of peer socializing and cultural signals. Because this is a matter of socialization, there will always be young girls who defy the crowd. They are ready to take on an adult relationship and they do understand commitment because that's the choice that they're making. I'm not seeing the mechanism which allows a 21 year old virgin women, never having been kissed before, to understand how relationships and commitment work. This isn't something which we all pick up through osmosis.



    That's the natural birth control to which I was referring to earlier in the thread.



    As others have already pointed out in this thread, I think you're granting too much credit to the maturity of young men. Look, if you construct a scenario of polar opposites, the most immature 16 year old girl you can imagine and pair her with the most mature 21 year old man you can imagine, then sure, that's likely a babysitting scenario but it's also unlikely that they'd ever pair up.



    And therein lies a debate.
    I'm always hearing men complain that this is a "cultural" thing. It is what it is. Are you going to go backwards in time and take away technological and medical advances, as well as advances in many other scientific fields, in order to make life the way it was when it was "acceptable" for men to be with young girls?

    There's really nothing to discuss. Life is the way it is. Young teen girls are NOT going to be more mature or more ready for an adult intimate relationship (which is complicated for even ADULTS to handle in a lot of cases) because you find them attractive or sexy. There is WAY more to a successful relationship, unless one wants to oppress women.

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