View Poll Results: is their good and evil

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  • yes there is good and evil

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  • no such thing as good and evil

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  • insanity is what makes people do bad things

    3 8.33%
  • sometimes it's insanity sometimes pure evil

    1 2.78%
  • sometimes it's both

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    Re: good evil sane insane

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    What about people who dehumanize others by getting joy out of torturing them to death? See any evil there?
    The people who do that are abused children who are angry at the world. We can limit their numbers by enforcing laws against child abuse and intervening as early as possible and providing mental health services. That works better than burning children at the stake or doing an exorcism as the old traditions would require.

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    Re: good evil sane insane

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Pretty much this. Its people deciding that they enjoy the suffering of others, the desire to be better than others, and the feeling of power over others above other things and without consideration. Evil is love of onesself to the point where there is no concern for the well being of others. Evil is nothing other than complete selfishness and self centeredness. Evil is basically sociopathy, its not a hard concept to understand and there is certainly nothing other wordly about it.
    I don't think we need to go all the way to sociopathy. That implies an extremism, I think, to the people we're talking about. Which is everyone. We are all faced with opportunities to be selfish or to care about others. And we all choose both ways. But we need to strive constantly to choose the latter as often as we can. And those that could truly be considered evil... they're those who choose the former. But that's not a different class of people. That's just people.
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    Re: good evil sane insane

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I don't think we need to go all the way to sociopathy. That implies an extremism, I think, to the people we're talking about. Which is everyone. We are all faced with opportunities to be selfish or to care about others. And we all choose both ways. But we need to strive constantly to choose the latter as often as we can. And those that could truly be considered evil... they're those who choose the former. But that's not a different class of people. That's just people.
    I think in probably 90% of decisions, people choose to do good. They either want to promote some good in society for themselves and others. They want to preserve something they find as valuable, such as family. They want to make healthy choices for themselves.

    In 10% of decisions, people lash out in anger, violence, selfishness, self centeredness, etc. It can be as simple as knowing putting yourself first will disadvantage others, but doing it anyway, or it could be something more direct, like the stuff we would all agree to be evil (except tigger).

    Actual sociopaths are pretty rare and are pretty much crazy, but we all fail to consider the well being of others, whether family, friends, or strangers, from time to time and end up causing harm. Its a light version of evil, but in my book, it is a form of evil.

    Good isn't a simple case either. Lets take abortion or gay rights or some other hot button issue. People on all sides of a LOT of societal debates all think they are doing good, they just disagree on what the good is, but I find their motivations correct, out of care for another, even if I may disagree with their logic. I cannot fault these people for doing what they think is right.

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    Re: good evil sane insane

    It's not that simple.

    First of all, not everyone who does misdeeds, whether you consider these misdeeds to be "evil" or not is insane.

    A thief, for example, is typically not insane, he is greedy and has no regard for your property rights and is taking a calculated risk that he can take your things and fence them without getting caught but that does not make him insane.

    If all misdeeds were caused by insanity, then you could never justify having a prison.

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    Re: good evil sane insane

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    A very conservative who is very zen? Very interesting!
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    Re: good evil sane insane

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Why wouldn't one bomb have been satisfactory?
    Because Japan didn't surrender after the first bombing.

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    Re: good evil sane insane

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    Because Japan didn't surrender after the first bombing.
    Japan didn't unconditionally surrender after the first bombing

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    Re: good evil sane insane

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Japan didn't unconditionally surrender after the first bombing

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    Re: good evil sane insane

    All the above.


    Some people have a screw loose.

    Some are just evil.


    Some both.

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    Re: good evil sane insane

    there is good and evil in all of us. There is no person alive (or IMHO who has been alive) who was pure good or pure evil. Everybody has elements of both in them. Criminals have much more of the bad/evil in them as good guys but nobody is pure evil all of the time. Even the most evil people alive (like Stalin and Hitler for example) also had good in them, even it it was just a little bit.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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