View Poll Results: is their good and evil

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  • yes there is good and evil

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  • no such thing as good and evil

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  • insanity is what makes people do bad things

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  • sometimes it's insanity sometimes pure evil

    1 2.78%
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    Re: good evil sane insane

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    IMO it does not pass the buck because you have to invite evil into your heart. We have a God given freedom of choice.
    When you use that choice to ignore the suffering of others, or ignore the consequences to others of things that benefit you, you're doing evil. Put the blame squarely where it belongs, on the chooser, rather than invoking some other beings to serve as middlemen.

    When you start invoking mythology to discuss concepts like morality, you just muddy the waters. The most powerful form of evil isn't serial killers or anything like that. It is the apathy of people who consider themselves good that leads them to ignore the pain and suffering of others. That is what allows evil to flourish.
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    Re: good evil sane insane

    Actions can be defined as good or evil, but I don't believe in good and evil other than as concepts. They aren't forces that exert control over the world.
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    Re: good evil sane insane

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    One comment.

    We, the USA, dropped two Atomic bombs on Japan. Now, I liked Harry S Truman, but one bomb would have been more than enough, don't you think. I think the thought process that dropped the first bomb might have been good, but the second bomb was undoubtedly evil. Same guy OK'd both.
    If the second bomb was dropped because Truman relished the thought of incinerating people it would be evil but I think in his mind he was trying to save lives. Motive matters.

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    Re: good evil sane insane

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Evil is not a thing unto itself. It's not a force, or an entity. It's people rationalizing selfish actions that hurt others. Blaming evil on anything but one's own complacency and selfishness is just passing the buck.
    Pretty much this. Its people deciding that they enjoy the suffering of others, the desire to be better than others, and the feeling of power over others above other things and without consideration. Evil is love of onesself to the point where there is no concern for the well being of others. Evil is nothing other than complete selfishness and self centeredness. Evil is basically sociopathy, its not a hard concept to understand and there is certainly nothing other wordly about it.
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    Re: good evil sane insane

    Interesting how in the poll most people believe in good and evil but in the responses most don't.

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    Re: good evil sane insane

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Actions can be defined as good or evil, but I don't believe in good and evil other than as concepts. They aren't forces that exert control over the world.
    The concepts are usually used to dehumanize people and stop all attempts to see things from their perspective. Then we can do anything we want to the 'evil ones' because they are not "us." Its harder to do that we acknowldge that they are just greedy and angry like us.

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    Re: good evil sane insane

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Do you believe in good and evil or do you just think people that do horrible things have a screw loose? I myself believe in evil and forces of darkness that take control of a soul and use it to do their bidding.

    EDIT: I should have made this multiple choice, my mistake.
    I do think there is an absolute right and wrong, which can intellectually be discovered through the exploration of natural rights. Is one who works against this, works for evil, insane? Sometimes yes, sometimes no.
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    Re: good evil sane insane

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    The concepts are usually used to dehumanize people and stop all attempts to see things from their perspective. Then we can do anything we want to the 'evil ones' because they are not "us." Its harder to do that we acknowldge that they are just greedy and angry like us.
    What about people who dehumanize others by getting joy out of torturing them to death? See any evil there?

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    Re: good evil sane insane

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Do you believe in good and evil or do you just think people that do horrible things have a screw loose? I myself believe in evil and forces of darkness that take control of a soul and use it to do their bidding.

    EDIT: I should have made this multiple choice, my mistake.
    Sure, there's good and evil. It's just that those labels are flexible and abstract, and change with the times. As for questions of external entities taking control of souls and whatnot, that's as likely to garner productive answers as "do you believe in God?" or "do you believe in ghosts?"

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    Re: good evil sane insane

    I believe that good and evil are relative terms that exist on a sliding scale.

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